Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003896)

I am aware of this.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2003819)

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Of course ducat was corrected. He is getting his opinion from far right wing blogs.



and instead of admitting the error, learning from it, maybe even thanking the poster for adding to his knowledge and apologizing for posting false information, we get this reply




Ducat is wrong again. I'm not sure whose face we are supposed to look at, but his (or her) understanding of vaccine liability in the US is wrong. When you get almost any vaccine in this country the manufacturer's liability is covered by a federal program. This is not unique to Covid shots. It is true of the MMR, the DTap etc. All the Covid vaccines, not just Pfizer's are covered by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program. Vaccines for children and pregnant women are covered under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program which was signed into law by Reagan in 1986.

And there is no such thing as a stand alone "the BioNTech vaccine." The correct name and the name that was used in emergency approval is Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Once Pfizer -BioNTech got full authorization for use of this vaccine in people 16 and older they then rebranded with a commercial name, Comirnaty, while the identical vaccine being given under emergency authorization is still Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for those 12 to 15. Further, the authorization allows the use of either of these vaccines in all circumstances where either is authorized, because they are identical. If all I have in my freezer is Comirnaty and I wish to vaccinate a 12 year old it can be used. If all I have is Pfizer-BioNTech and I wish to immunize a 60 year old I can use it. A Datsun is a Nissan, a Nissan is a Datsun. So simple to understand.

You can read the history of the association of Pfizer, a US company, and BioNTech, a German company in the development [all in Germany], manufacture, and sales of this vaccine.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2003841)

I do see, and I do worry about the break through cases. In my home, daughter and I are once again staying away from the fun of painting and doing crafts at the rec centers and mostly because she so dislikes to wear masks for long periods of time.

I don't doubt at all that there are many break through cases. I just am skeptical that fourteen percent of those hospitalized with Covid have been completely vaccinated. I could be wrong.

We can banter all we want to on here but Blue Ash and Eagle are both M.D.s and they didn't get their certification out of a Cheerio's box.

They sometimes differ politically but they give us good info about medicine.

So grateful for both of them.

I am a retired person educated in Early Childhood Development. I had a lot of experience accompanying our daughter who was born with Williams Syndrome through many, many, many medical procedures and hospitalizations at a wonderfully skilled place; Cincinnati Children's Hospital. Every single person I met there were doing it by the books. They taught me to respect the traditional medical community. I have not changed.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003937)

I keep posting this and here is one more time...a quick search finds data supporting this....Vaccinated are causing the variants why? Because this vaccine is a partial immunity vaccine....Non Sterilizing Vaccine...Only reaches B-CELL IMMUNITY...Thats it folks...simple as that. Vaccinated are infected and by shear numbers the virus figures out how to bypass this simple immunity from the jabs which creates a new variant.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003939)

Quoting myself here........

Since I wrote this reply, I was informed differently. There is so much to be learned about this entire scenario we are all dealing with. Knowing there is Federal assistance in place for people who are harmed by vaccines, makes me breathe a sigh of relief. That is one "excuse" anti-vaxxers will have to let go of. Thank goodness and thanks to Blueash for offering that information to us.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003942)

Not so fast. This has been fact checked.........

Fact Check-No evidence vaccination efforts are causing new COVID-19 variants | Reuters

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003943)

All is good except this vax is not covered under the vaccine injury Federal Assistance...They will tell you your on your own for taking an experimental substance.....Sorry hope all eventually can recover that had issues not to forget the Thousands that have died from the jab.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003937)

I keep posting this and here is one more time...a quick search finds data supporting this....Vaccinated are causing the variants why? Because this vaccine is a partial immunity vaccine....Non Sterilizing Vaccine...Only reaches B-CELL IMMUNITY...Thats it folks...simple as that. Vaccinated are infected and by shear numbers the virus figures out how to bypass this simple immunity from the jabs which creates a new variant.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2004006)

If the Delta variant was found in India around 2020, and India's vaccination program only got under way in January 2021, how did vaccine cause that variant?

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003937)

I keep posting this and here is one more time...a quick search finds data supporting this....Vaccinated are causing the variants why? Because this vaccine is a partial immunity vaccine....Non Sterilizing Vaccine...Only reaches B-CELL IMMUNITY...Thats it folks...simple as that. Vaccinated are infected and by shear numbers the virus figures out how to bypass this simple immunity from the jabs which creates a new variant.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2004015)

It is obvious to me, that you simply have a hard time with magical thinking.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003945)

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003943)

All is good except this vax is not covered under the vaccine injury Federal Assistance...They will tell you your on your own for taking an experimental substance.....Sorry hope all eventually can recover that had issues not to forget the Thousands that have died from the jab.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003945)

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003945)

NO No No....Quit reading media....They have been spreading disinfo on this...:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004030)

Oh yes, the last resort when logic and facts fail..............blame the media.........and deflect!

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2004006)

If the Delta variant was found in India around 2020, and India's vaccination program only got under way in January 2021, how did vaccine cause that variant?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004052)

Reuters is a reliable source.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2004056)

Righhhhhht!

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2004055)

Found but began where?

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2004105)

Your the one with all the answers. Tell me.

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2004187)

Interesting....Nearly Half Of All Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19 Had Only Mild Or Asymptomatic Cases, Study Shows


So why were they hospitalized?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2003514)

Yes agreed, just take zinc. And try and ONLY care about yourself and near relatives. That is the SMALL-tribal theory of human society.

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2004187)

Interesting....Nearly Half Of All Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19 Had Only Mild Or Asymptomatic Cases, Study Shows


So why were they hospitalized?

Originally Posted by Dgodin (Post 2002879)

Yes to vaccine passports.

Let the unvaccinated enjoy "freedom" from inside their homes while patriotic americans move about freely.

Remember when patiotism meant a sacrifice for the common good? In WWII people gladly accepted years of rationing and blackouts. Soldiers letters home were read and censored. Where is that sense of civic duty now? Instead too many just in it for themselves.

And as for boosters. The military gave me more vaccines and boosters than I can count.
And on Monday I'm going to to the VA for the covid vaccine booster. It isn't just for my benefit. It's my patriotic duty to do what I can to stop the virus and save American lives.

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2004187)

Interesting....Nearly Half Of All Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19 Had Only Mild Or Asymptomatic Cases, Study Shows


So why were they hospitalized?

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2004236)

EXACTLY! These are "stats" we are having thrown our way daily when many of these "COVID" patients clogging up hospitals are actually patients for others medical procedures and just happen to be tested positive with NO problems/complaints.

Again, the effort to drive a narrative certainly seems to be in play in the media trying to push people to believe otherwise.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2004053)

Never listen to propaganda....They are the problem. Not blaming them for what they are being paid by what ever foreign power to mock each other about.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2004090)

Reuters is not a "source" of scientific information. It's a media outlet that reports FROM actual sources.

Not to be confused with "media" like OANN, which is an "alternative facts" outlet that writes mostly emotionally charged rhetoric with snippets of quotes taken out of context, and passes it off as facts.

Reuters can sometimes be wrong, and can sometimes lapse in their fact-checking. Compare with OANN, which doesn't bother with pesky details like fact checking, and is often not merely wrong, but intentionally wrong.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2004118)

To be honest it is really hard to tell...We have Pakistan, UK, Bangladesh where Delta took roots and with the amount of travel??? No one knows and it can't be ascertained.

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2004187)

Interesting....Nearly Half Of All Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19 Had Only Mild Or Asymptomatic Cases, Study Shows


So why were they hospitalized?

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2004200)

Works for me. Less worry, longer life.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2004211)

Patriotism?
Good try, but no dice. That dog don't hunt. Love of one's country has nothing to do with what YOU deem is right for other people, such as being vaccinated.

It would be a lot easier for those "vaccinated" persons that fear getting infected, to stay home where they would not have to worry about anyone else infecting them. Since the vaccinated can still become infected and/or infect others, if they are afraid they should stay home where they can be assured of their safety. After all, those that are unvaccinated, have no idea whether or not they are infected and probably do not care.

Patriotism? That is like accusing someone of being a racist if they do not agree with you.
Come on Man!

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2004056)

Righhhhhht!

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2004272)

The discussion section states "The findings indicate with moderate certainty that ivermectin treatment in COVID-19 provides a significant survival benefit."



Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infectio... : American Journal of Therapeutics

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004377)

I think that PATRIOTISM and getting VACCINATED actually 'fit together like a hand and glove' - to quote a common expression. One could go so far as to call the vaccinated people.........socially conscious human beings. And call the unvaccinated......... anti-social, indoctrinated-by-propaganda people, that trend toward the anarchy, anti-government end of the spectrum - some of which are perfectly willing to use force and violence to achieve chaos and government-toppling. Where does being anti-social stop? Facebook and Instagram push young males and females into dark corners of confusion, despair, and often even hatred of themselves. Yes, vaccine strength may be waning after 6 to 8 months, but Facebook and other dark media will continue until STOPPED by Federal Governments around the world. As long as the US remains free, most people will TRUST our Government!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004382)

Ivermectin is a "bridge too far". Next, we will be told that instead of taking the vaccine - we should all try ground rhinoceros horn to prevent CV and give lifetime immunity. Better hide those rhinos that are in the zoos!