[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I get what you are saying but I wouldn't travel to a destination that required Covid vaccinations

That's your decision - not a problem.

I will always err on the side of caution and choose 100% vaccinated areas for my vacation - for the forseeable future.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

That's your decision - not a problem.

I will always err on the side of caution and choose 100% vaccinated areas for my vacation - for the forseeable future.

You will have limited options, but to each their own.

Again, I'm not going to go to a place that is subject to mass Covid quarantines. Your vacation could be wrecked at any moment and you might be stuck in a place for weeks past your expected departure date. No thank you.

I'd rather risk catching Covid, thank you very much.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Ok, case in point - You're on a cruise / you're in a resort for a weeklong vacation.

There are 5000 people with you - this is a 100% vaccinated activity.

All safe, no masks, no social distancing.

A large number of unvaccinated people have false documentation and there is an outbreak.

Everyone goes into lockdown. Your vacation is ruined and they force-quarantine you for 21 days.

That's why we worry about the unvaccinated. Because their selfishness just ruined everything.

Have you been on the cruise forums? This scenario is rampant with extremely negative comments towards un-vaccinated people. The cruising public does not want un-vaccinated people on a cruise ship with them, myself included. I'm not fearful for my safety and health as I'm protected by the mRNA vaccine. I do not want to have to deal with the consequences if there is a Covid outbreak on board with un-vaccinated people. Any Covid outbreak on board could be the ruination of the cruise industry.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Have you been on the cruise forums? This scenario is rampant with extremely negative comments towards un-vaccinated people. The cruising public does not want un-vaccinated people on a cruise ship with them, myself included. I'm not fearful for my safety and health as I'm protected by the mRNA vaccine. I do not want to have to deal with the consequences if there is a Covid outbreak on board with un-vaccinated people. Any Covid outbreak on board could be the ruination of the cruise industry.

Nine members of the NY Yankees organization who had previously received the vaccine are now in quarantine for testing positive...

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by John41

India now the hotbed of 1 out of every 3 new cases of covid 19 thought the epidemic was over for them in February. Don’t count you chickens....

India never had the epidemic until now. They are going thru what the US went through this past winter and last spring.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Nine members of the NY Yankees organization who had previously received the vaccine are now in quarantine for testing positive...

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

Is that really the point?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

You just agreed with a post about only traveling with vaccinated people to avoid inconveniencing yourself on a trip. Yet here is a fully vaccinated group where 9 people tested positive and had to be quarantined...
I rest MY case...

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

If this happened on a cruise ship, would it matter? The point is they tested positive even after being vaccinated.

One thing about the Covid 19 test is that 1) false positives are a well known and documented issue 2) Coronaviruses in general, not just Covid 19 can get you a positive test.

So you could have an outbreak of a cold virus on the ship and, whether it was Covid-19 or not, you could still potentially wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks on end.

Maybe that is risk worth taking to you. As for me, I refuse to cruise on any ship or go to any place that mandates the vaccine.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Is that really the point?

IMHO, yes, that is the point. Just this morning there was discussion of the nine Yankees who have had breakthrough infections after all being fully vaccinated with J&J vaccine. It is being reported that the vaccine is doing its job. None of the effected Yankees have become ill, let alone needing hospitalization. Yes, that most certainly is the point.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

You just agreed with a post about only traveling with vaccinated people to avoid inconveniencing yourself on a trip. Yet here is a fully vaccinated group where 9 people tested positive and had to be quarantined...
I rest MY case...

My point is that hospitalization will not be necessary. That is a big deal when on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean.

[stanley]

The "point" is nine people on the same team got the "virus".....after being vaccinated. What are the chances of that? It could be the norm that "nobody" is or wants to talk about.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

If this happened on a cruise ship, would it matter? The point is they tested positive even after being vaccinated.

One thing about the Covid 19 test is that 1) false positives are a well known and documented issue 2) Coronaviruses in general, not just Covid 19 can get you a positive test.

So you could have an outbreak of a cold virus on the ship and, whether it was Covid-19 or not, you could still potentially wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks on end.

Maybe that is risk worth taking to you. As for me, I refuse to cruise on any ship or go to any place that mandates the vaccine.

The risk of having a Covid outbreak is less if everyone one board is vaccinated. That is how I see it and yes, I will take that risk. I most certainly will not cruise with known un-vaccinated people. The risk of Covid outbreak is much higher among un-vaccinated and the risk of needing to hospitalize people is greater.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

The "point" is nine people on the same team got the "virus".....after being vaccinated. What are the chances of that? It could be the norm that "nobody" is or wants to talk about.

Sorry to say but the J&J vaccine does not have near the efficacy in trials or the extremely high real life efficiency of mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are protective against the variants so far. I don't know how the J&J vaccine is fairing with variants.

[tuccillo]

Not really true. Comparisons of efficacy between the 3 vaccines is not really valid, particularly when comparing the J&J with either Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna. The definition of a "positive" case is different for the 3 Phase 3 trials. Also, the J&J Phase 3 trial occurred much later than Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. In addition, the J&J Phase 3 trial included a much different population, some of which possibly may have been exposed to variants that were not present during the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna trials.

As I already explained to you, the efficacy is essentially the reduction in the probability that you will develop COVID if exposed to the virus when compared to the unvaccinated. For all 3 vaccines with Emergency Use Authorization, the reduction in the probability is large. More important, the probability of developing a severe case of COVID that requires hospitalization and possibly causing death is near zero for all three vaccines. Breakthrough statistics are still in flux but the numbers are incredibly low.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Sorry to say but the J&J vaccine does not have near the efficacy in trials or the extremely high real life efficiency of mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are protective against the variants so far. I don't know how the J&J vaccine is fairing with variants.