[Chi-Town]

Going back to the chance of an appeal per the thread's origin this is an interesting article.

Few options seen for Chauvin appeal - POLITICO

[Lulu52]

Don't think every person that police shoot, the family gets 27 million. Is that going to be the *going rate*?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Lulu52

Don't think every person that police shoot, the family gets 27 million. Is that going to be the *going rate*?

If they shoot someone who is a law abiding citizen apparently your life is worth less.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

So do you think the rioters and looters will be upset as they have no good excuse to do the things they like to do?

Missing out on the free stuff.

That IS thinly disguised (conscious or subconscious) animosity toward certain groups. Those that benefitted from US society should show empathy to the less successful.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That IS thinly disguised (conscious or subconscious) animosity toward certain groups. Those that benefitted from US society should show empathy to the less successful.

Animosity towards "rioters and looters"............I think that's perfectly justified.

And what do you mean by "the less successful"........sounds a little prejudicial if you ask me

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by George Page

No! “Those people” took action against their oppressor not their neighbors and local merchants.
Try again.

Just who is the "oppressor" and the "oppressed" today?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by irishwonone

If you’ve been watching the news over the last 6-8 years you know that those in power are never convicted 😳

Elliot Spitzer and Bernie Madoff!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That IS thinly disguised (conscious or subconscious) animosity toward certain groups. Those that benefitted from US society should show empathy to the less successful.

So we should allow the rioters and looters to do as they wish?

[Fairway Cruises]

Originally Posted by tvbound

You mean like those people who were fed up with unfairness, inequality and used it as an excuse, to dump someone else's property into Boston Harbor in 1773?

So are you saying you're prepared for he consequences it leads to? That comparison is entirely different. A bit ridiculous to be fair.
As for the trial we all have a view and whatever that is it should be respected. Biden made comments that guarantee an appeal - were they deliberate for that purpose? I think the cop was over bearing somewhat but not out of control. The victim resisted arrest, he did not die at the scene, he was taken into custody. Cops have to deal with scumbags every day (white and black, just in case you think it's racist) and trained to use force appropriately. The victim was shouting I can't breath, yet he was shouting? He was full of serious drugs, an accident waiting to happen. Who'd want to be a cop today? I'm sorry the scumbag died in custody from his misuse of drugs, I really am but to make this whole thing about race, then to loot, destroy property, to demand defunding the police...is everyone out of their minds? Please do not let American values get detroyed.

[blueash]

Fairway Cruises
I think the cop was over bearing somewhat but not out of control.
The Chief of Police of his own city thought he was guilty of murder. The medical examiner said murder. Chauvin absolutely was totally in control of his actions as he killed George Floyd.

The victim resisted arrest, he did not die at the scene, he was taken into custody.
He stopped resisting very quickly once he was on the ground. The video and the testimony are absolutely clear on that question. I watched the testimony. He was dead for several minutes on the street under Chauvin's knee and body, several minutes and Chauvin never got off. He 100% did die at the scene, not in your alternate universe opinion that he died elsewhere.

Cops have to deal with scumbags every day (white and black, just in case you think it's racist) and trained to use force appropriately.

His own Chief of Police testified that the use of force was not appropriate. The manual and continuing training said that force was not appropriate. You don't change the truth by not believing it, but you are wrong according to the experts from his own department

The victim was shouting I can't breath, yet he was shouting?
Did you listen to the testimony explaining the mechanics of breathing and how speaking is not evidence that the person is not having real and severe compromise of their respiratory system? Or do you ignore evidence if it doesn't fit your narrative?

He was full of serious drugs, an accident waiting to happen. Who'd want to be a cop today? I'm sorry the scumbag died in custody from his misuse of drugs,
Again you make up your own story which is not what the coroner nor the pulmonologists said when they testified. Yes he took drugs. No they did not cause his death. He was killed by the cop. So said both coroners. Did the drugs perhaps play a role in making it easier to kill him, maybe but that is not in evidence. The evidence is a man on drugs was killed by the excessive use of force being place on the street in a prone position with his hands cuffed behind him and a knee pressing on the back of the neck with weight interfering with the ability to inhale and hypopharyngeal collapse.
He did not die of a drug overdose. That was the evidence. The jury heard it. The world heard it. Apparently you were not listening.

I really am but to make this whole thing about race, then to loot, destroy property, to demand defunding the police...is everyone out of their minds? Please do not let American values get detroyed.

I don't understand. If this is not about race why are you mentioning looting and defunding? Those are apparently race linked in your mind. Do you even understand what is meant by defunding? I doubt it. It was a poor word choice for a very good idea.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

So we should allow the rioters and looters to do as they wish?

All laws should be enforced equally. The US is the most incarcerated country of the 1st world countries. Stusy other countries judicial system - see what works. Adapt!

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by blueash

Fairway Cruises
I think the cop was over bearing somewhat but not out of control.
The Chief of Police of his own city thought he was guilty of murder. The medical examiner said murder. Chauvin absolutely was totally in control of his actions as he killed George Floyd.

The victim resisted arrest, he did not die at the scene, he was taken into custody.
He stopped resisting very quickly once he was on the ground. The video and the testimony are absolutely clear on that question. I watched the testimony. He was dead for several minutes on the street under Chauvin's knee and body, several minutes and Chauvin never got off. He 100% did die at the scene, not in your alternate universe opinion that he died elsewhere.

Cops have to deal with scumbags every day (white and black, just in case you think it's racist) and trained to use force appropriately.

His own Chief of Police testified that the use of force was not appropriate. The manual and continuing training said that force was not appropriate. You don't change the truth by not believing it, but you are wrong according to the experts from his own department

The victim was shouting I can't breath, yet he was shouting?
Did you listen to the testimony explaining the mechanics of breathing and how speaking is not evidence that the person is not having real and severe compromise of their respiratory system? Or do you ignore evidence if it doesn't fit your narrative?

He was full of serious drugs, an accident waiting to happen. Who'd want to be a cop today? I'm sorry the scumbag died in custody from his misuse of drugs,
Again you make up your own story which is not what the coroner nor the pulmonologists said when they testified. Yes he took drugs. No they did not cause his death. He was killed by the cop. So said both coroners. Did the drugs perhaps play a role in making it easier to kill him, maybe but that is not in evidence. The evidence is a man on drugs was killed by the excessive use of force being place on the street in a prone position with his hands cuffed behind him and a knee pressing on the back of the neck with weight interfering with the ability to inhale and hypopharyngeal collapse.
He did not die of a drug overdose. That was the evidence. The jury heard it. The world heard it. Apparently you were not listening.

I really am but to make this whole thing about race, then to loot, destroy property, to demand defunding the police...is everyone out of their minds? Please do not let American values get detroyed.

I don't understand. If this is not about race why are you mentioning looting and defunding? Those are apparently race linked in your mind. Do you even understand what is meant by defunding? I doubt it. It was a poor word choice for a very good idea.

And all that made the national news for one reason. Floyd was black and the cop was white. That is what you fail to understand. I brought up the Tony Timpa case to show the media bias. If Floyd was white the national news media would never have even picked up the story. Can’t you see that?!?!?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Swoop

And all that made the national news for one reason. Floyd was black and the cop was white. That is what you fail to understand. I brought up the Tony Timpa case to show the media bias. If Floyd was white the national news media would never have even picked up the story. Can’t you see that?!?!?

Does that make the facts not true?

[stanley]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Does that make the facts not true?

Were you on the jury?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Does that make the facts not true?

The national news media covered the Floyd case 24/7. The outcome of that trial was predetermined by the national news media. Tony Timpa - same circumstances, no national news coverage. Tony was white, the charges were dismissed...
Those are the facts...