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JMintzer 05-27-2023 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2221383)
Amazing how intolerant some people can be.

I know... Some people were so intolerant to Chick Fil-A, Hobby Lobby and the My Pillow guy... No to mention the massive BDS movement against Israel... Pulling the All-Star Game from Atlanta, various states banning government travel to other states...

Oh, wait... You weren't talking about that intolerance?

JMintzer 05-27-2023 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221458)
And where are these advertisements? From what I have seen they are in places where their target audience would look and not where anyone but someone who wants to stir up trouble would look.

Well, Target advertises on TV and they have huge advertisement displays in their stores. The others? All over the internet.

Maybe not you, but many, many people use the internet as their news source and buying guide...

Stu from NYC 05-27-2023 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2221461)
I know... Some people were so intolerant to Chick Fil-A, Hobby Lobby and the My Pillow guy... No to mention the massive BDS movement against Israel... Pulling the All-Star Game from Atlanta, various states banning government travel to other states...

Oh, wait... You weren't talking about that intolerance?

Very well said. Some folks on here have very short memories or only remember what they are in favor of.

Byte1 05-27-2023 03:20 PM

All this has to be blamed on that "BINARY" AI.

My wife told me this morning that she is no longer to be referred to as overweight. She now identifies as TRANS-Slender.

manaboutown 05-27-2023 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221458)
And where are these advertisements? From what I have seen they are in places where their target audience would look and not where anyone but someone who wants to stir up trouble would look.

From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2023 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221479)
From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

dewilson58 05-27-2023 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221481)

Talt........we agree A LOT, but I believe your "Bible reference" is incomplete.

1) "Golden Rule" is not explicitly found in Scripture.

2) This became the popular way of referring to the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:12.

3) Matthew 7:12 reads, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Second, even though the Golden Rule addresses human interpersonal relationships, its message is additionally theological. That is, the very character of God guides how we should interact and relate to one another.

It does not say, stand by and do nothing about the celebration of sin, the promotion of sin, the introduction of sin to children, to share sin agendas.

4) If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.

A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2023 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221486)
Talt........we agree A LOT, but I believe your "Bible reference" is incomplete.

1) "Golden Rule" is not explicitly found in Scripture.

2) This became the popular way of referring to the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:12.

3) Matthew 7:12 reads, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Second, even though the Golden Rule addresses human interpersonal relationships, its message is additionally theological. That is, the very character of God guides how we should interact and relate to one another.

It does not say, stand by and do nothing about the celebration of sin, the promotion of sin, the introduction of sin to children, to share sin agendas.

4) If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.

A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.

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“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 7:12

“Do to others as you would have them do to you.” Luke 6:31
Those are expressions of the Golden Rule.

dewilson58 05-27-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221489)
Those are expressions of the Golden Rule.

I think you have it backwards..................The Golden Rule is an expression of pieces of the Bible.

You can't take pieces, must understand the interrelationship of verses.

Cherry picking or reading headlines is not the way to understand.

Paul Harvey comes to mind.

:beer3:

manaboutown 05-27-2023 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221481)
So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

FOX is not about hate; FOX is about facts. The hate is coming from some of the fringe groups FOX is exposing for what they are.

Nashville school shooter manifesto: Police group sides with school in lawsuit over release | Fox News

Archdiocese of LA criticizes re-invitation of anti-Catholic drag queens to Dodgers game | Fox News

Nebraska senator flips out debating ban on sex change surgeries for minors, screams '''we need trans people''' | Fox News

Trans screamer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwWb0HDH3Ag

manaboutown 05-27-2023 05:10 PM

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Taltarzac725 05-27-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221490)
I think you have it backwards..................The Golden Rule is an expression of pieces of the Bible.

You can't take pieces, must understand the interrelationship of verses.

Cherry picking or reading headlines is not the way to understand.

Paul Harvey comes to mind.

:beer3:

The Bible was written over hundreds of years. There are estimates of 1500-1600 years. There are only parts except for the Gospels which do contain the actual words used by Jesus Christ.

dewilson58 05-27-2023 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221501)
The Bible was written over hundreds of years. There are estimates of 1500-1600 years. There are only parts except for the Gospels which do contain the actual words used by Jesus Christ.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The Bible is God's Word.

The Trinity, three separate but one..............kinda pulls it all together as one.


Are we off track???

My point was The Golden Rule is not God's word..............it's a man made term.


I'm not judging the sinners, I'm identifying them and not condoning them and don't want their views taught to minors and I don't want it thrown in my face every where I go and I don't want to support entities who support sinners actions/views openly.

:ho:

Taltarzac725 05-27-2023 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221505)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The Bible is God's Word.

The Trinity, three separate but one..............kinda pulls it all together as one.


Are we off track???

My point was The Golden Rule is not God's word..............it's a man made term.


I'm not judging the sinners, I'm identifying them and not condoning them and don't want their views taught to minors and I don't want it thrown in my face every where I go and I don't want to support entities who support sinners actions/views openly.

:ho:

The Bible is a product of maybe 40 or more writers. Probably more if you count the books left out of it. Christ's words are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Usually printed in red ink.

dewilson58 05-27-2023 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221506)
The Bible is a product of maybe 40 or more writers. Probably more if you count the books left out of it. Christ's words are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Usually printed in red ink.

Ouch................Sorry if you don't think God spoke thru the writers / Gospels.

Bill14564 05-27-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221479)
From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

I didn’t go through all 50 pages but what specifically did you find offensive? It all looks harmless to me.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2023 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221507)
Ouch................Sorry if you don't think God spoke thru the writers / Gospels.

What books were removed from the Bible and why? Where might I find them? - Quora

I think various entities stamped their own impressions on those words. But the most central idea is the Golden Rule which is to "Do unto others as you would have done onto you" without any evaluations as to whether or not they are sinners. That is where you bring in ALL the deadly sins especially when you are judging other people.

manaboutown 05-27-2023 06:41 PM

Some of these woke companies such as TGT, BUD, Nike, The North Face and others have discovered PRIDE goeth before a fall in the numbers of their customers, their earnings and in the prices of their stocks.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-27-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2221214)
Isn't it supposed to be spelled "nothingburger?" I mean, if we are going to suddenly check for spelling errors..........:boom:

No, it's "nothingberder." If you don't get the reference, oh well. Some folks will.

Michael 61 05-27-2023 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221509)
What books were removed from the Bible and why? Where might I find them? - Quora

I think various entities stamped their own impressions on those words. But the most central idea is the Golden Rule which is to "Do unto others as you would have done onto you" without any evaluations as to whether or not they are sinners. That is where you bring in ALL the deadly sins especially when you are judging other people.

Talt — the one scripture that every non-Bible believing person knows is “Judge not, yet ye be judged” - This verse is always taken out of context by non-believers, who love to throw it in the face of believers. The verse does not say we are never to call out sin, but quite the opposite actually, we as believers are to call out those that are in sin and for them to repent and trust in Christ for salvation. The verse in question means we as believers are not to judge hypocritically (calling out someone in a particular sin that we ourselves are guilty of). We are commanded to not conform to this world, but to have a biblical and eternal perspective on all things and how we live our lives.

Also, scripture tells us that ALL scripture is from God, who led men, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit in their writings.

dwoodley1975 05-27-2023 07:50 PM

[QUOTE=oneclickplus;2220740]Since you asked:

Deuteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."

So, I'd say God cares. And I do also.[/QUOTE


Let's quote the bible... Most you wanna be Christians are hyprocitics

manaboutown 05-27-2023 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221481)
So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

Actually I did not google anything. I typed in "target.com" and this is the highly offensive garbage I got on their website.

Taltarzac725 05-27-2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2221522)
Talt — the one scripture that every non-Bible believing person knows is “Judge not, yet ye be judged” - This verse is always taken out of context by non-believers, who love to throw it in the face of believers. The verse does not say we are never to call out sin, but quite the opposite actually, we as believers are to call out those that are in sin and for them to repent and trust in Christ for salvation. The verse in question means we as believers are not to judge hypocritically (calling out someone in a particular sin that we ourselves are guilty of). We are commanded to not conform to this world, but to have a biblical and eternal perspective on all things and how we live our lives.

Also, scripture tells us that ALL scripture is from God, who led men, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit in their writings.


Believe depending on what denomination people are this varies a lot. As to whether or not we take The Bible word-for-word to be the WORD OF GOD.

I did find this though--
Understanding a Misunderstood Bible Verse - JSTOR Daily

I am a Lutheran by upbringing and believe it is up to each person to read their own Bible and come up with what it means to that person without the interference of others.

I also minored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno. The problem of evil has interested me a lot all my life. We have laws to deal with evil deeds even if those also are often dependent on historical circumstance.

buster21 05-28-2023 04:58 AM

I have aged reading all this. It’s like hubby says everybody is a know it all. Happy Memorial Day weekend!

JMintzer 05-28-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221481)
So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.

You ask for proof. You're given proof. Your response? "So what?"

Then, you change the subject...

You wanna talk hate? I'm old enough to remember MSNBC and CNN (and the other alphabet networks) calling conservative "Domestic Terrorists" and "White Supremacists"...

But that's different, right?

Oh, and btw, just go to Target's website. Click on "family clothing" No "Pride" needed in the search...

JMintzer 05-28-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221506)
The Bible is a product of maybe 40 or more writers. Probably more if you count the books left out of it. Christ's words are in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Usually printed in red ink.

Can't argue the original topic? Change the topic...

JMintzer 05-28-2023 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2221508)
I didn’t go through all 50 pages but what specifically did you find offensive? It all looks harmless to me.

"I didn't read the thread, but I'll ask a question that has been answered multiple times..."

MDLNB 05-28-2023 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221481)
So what. You probably Googled Pride and Target.

The most basic Christian principle is What is the Golden Rule? - Biblical Meaning, Importance and Examples

Not hate whom Fox loudmouths and their ilk tell whom to hate.


Looks like someone is "hating" FOX "loudmouths."

Just remember "God hates the SIN, not the sinner." Christians do not HATE sexual deviants, they HATE the sin and abnormal, unhealthy and nasty behavior of the mentally disturbed that are expecting their corruption to be not only excused but endorsed. Sorry, but I don't condone this sinful behavior, and I can hardly tolerate it. It won't be long before my tolerance runs out. I don't condone unruly children in public and I have no intention of being required to tolerate a few that demand that their abhorrent behavior be encouraged in public. If they wish to be clowns and freaks then they should join the circus where they can get the attention they crave so much and get paid for it.

Intolerant? Bigot? Almost. Keep your freakness private if you insist upon an abnormal lifestyle. As a matter of fact, keep ANY intimate lifestyle private, straight or deviant.

MDLNB 05-28-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221528)
Believe depending on what denomination people are this varies a lot. As to whether or not we take The Bible word-for-word to be the WORD OF GOD.

I did find this though--
Understanding a Misunderstood Bible Verse - JSTOR Daily

I am a Lutheran by upbringing and believe it is up to each person to read their own Bible and come up with what it means to that person without the interference of others.

I also minored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno. The problem of evil has interested me a lot all my life. We have laws to deal with evil deeds even if those also are often dependent on historical circumstance.


Yes, and we used to have DECENCY laws until stupid organizations like the ACLU got involved, chipping away at decency. It's funny how sin becomes acceptable until someone gets hurt. Burning down cities based on some incident that is deemed wrong to some folks, is acceptable to folks from other cities....not so much to the victims. Perversion is OK in the media until someone finally puts a stop to it.

MDLNB 05-28-2023 11:05 AM

Golden Rule? If someone invaded your home, how would you treat them? Do they expect to be treated any different than if you invaded their home, or someone else's home? How would you EXPECT to be treated if you broke into their home? We have laws and rules. Even expectations of decency. It seems to me that one does not need to be a lawyer to understand the points of common sense, decency, and NORMAL behavior. Christians should not need to argue the Bible with non-believers to prove a point. If those folks insist on attempting to find vulnerability in Christians by quoting misused phrases from the Bible, it means that they do not have a winning argument and have to resort to more perversion, perversion of beliefs that they themselves do not believe or understand. Christians are Tolerant when they do not condone. But, even GOD's tolerance is limited, as the example of the Great Flood proves. Of course, the non-believer does not believe in this historical fact or of the Christian DEITY.

MDLNB 05-28-2023 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2221520)
No, it's "nothingberder." If you don't get the reference, oh well. Some folks will.


Funny! I bet many of us on here also GOT what the other poster was referring to when he/she/it misspelled Google. Oh well, some of us did.:)

Taltarzac725 05-28-2023 11:21 AM

WOW.

Someone who disagrees with you in not a Christian? You should read some history. Most wars have been fought over who or what is a good Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.

All of this crap because someone is selling a bathing suit to someone who feels they are male or female instead of how they were born. Neither the seller or the buyer is evil.

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2221600)
Golden Rule? If someone invaded your home, how would you treat them? Do they expect to be treated any different than if you invaded their home, or someone else's home? How would you EXPECT to be treated if you broke into their home? We have laws and rules. Even expectations of decency. It seems to me that one does not need to be a lawyer to understand the points of common sense, decency, and NORMAL behavior. Christians should not need to argue the Bible with non-believers to prove a point. If those folks insist on attempting to find vulnerability in Christians by quoting misused phrases from the Bible, it means that they do not have a winning argument and have to resort to more perversion, perversion of beliefs that they themselves do not believe or understand. Christians are Tolerant when they do not condone. But, even GOD's tolerance is limited, as the example of the Great Flood proves. Of course, the non-believer does not believe in this historical fact or of the Christian DEITY.


Taltarzac725 05-28-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2221596)
Yes, and we used to have DECENCY laws until stupid organizations like the ACLU got involved, chipping away at decency. It's funny how sin becomes acceptable until someone gets hurt. Burning down cities based on some incident that is deemed wrong to some folks, is acceptable to folks from other cities....not so much to the victims. Perversion is OK in the media until someone finally puts a stop to it.

The ACLU, United Nations, NAACP do good work. Which most Christians easily see.

You are blaming some inner city people with next to nothing for expressing their anger by burning down the stores they use most of the time. Stupid on their part. But really only has to do with how these people feel about their lives. It has nothing to do with anything else.

And most media are good people. Lawyers and law enforcement usually catch up with the bad ones.

It seems like common sense has flown out the window of late.

JMintzer 05-28-2023 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221607)
The ACLU, United Nations, NAACP do good work. Which most Christians easily see.

You forgot the "used to"...

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You are blaming some inner city people with next to nothing for expressing their anger by burning down the stores they use most of the time. Stupid on their part. But really only has to do with how these people feel about their lives. It has nothing to do with anything else.
So, it's only "inner city people"? Some would call that generalization "racist"...

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And most media are good people. Lawyers and law enforcement usually catch up with the bad ones.
Except FOX News, right?

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It seems like common sense has flown out the window of late.
Yes, it most certainly has... No one with "common sense" would think it's a good idea to promote one's sexuality to children...

Taltarzac725 05-28-2023 11:50 AM

George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

Over simplification by me corrected.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2221608)
You forgot the "used to"...



So, it's only "inner city people"? Some would call that generalization "racist"...



Except FOX News, right?



Yes, it most certainly has... No one with "common sense" would think it's a good idea to promote one's sexuality to children...

What does that have to do with children? Gay people are all over many channels on TV and have been for years.

I have various FOX news people on my Facebook page. It varies from person-to-person. But they certainly have been in news of late with respect to lawsuits going against them.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-28-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221479)
From Target's website for all the world to see, even children: PRIDE : Target

Check out the kiddie clothing, toys and more. I do not know how parents could block their children from viewing it.

I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

lkagele 05-28-2023 01:36 PM

Indoctrinating? Certainly some see it in that light.

Maybe those that find the tuck swimsuit so offensive might find a sales slogan like this less indoctrinating:

"If It Floats Your Boat, Buy It and Wear It"

JMintzer 05-28-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221612)
George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

Over simplification by me corrected.



What does that have to do with children? Gay people are all over many channels on TV and have been for years.

I have various FOX news people on my Facebook page. It varies from person-to-person. But they certainly have been in news of late with respect to lawsuits going against them.

Target specifically sold Pride clothes designed for children... Did you bother to even look at their website?

For the umpteenth time... No one has a problem with gay people... It's when ANYONE promotes their sexuality to children... I'd have the same reaction if they were selling S&M themed clothing promoted by straight people...

And sure... Let's change the subject, once again... Now it's FOX lawsuits?

JMintzer 05-28-2023 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2221621)
I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

Looks like they removed the pronoun shirt with naked women (one of whom was a man) shirt from their website... I wonder why?

And where did the "Trans People Will Aways Exist" shirt go? Hmmm...

Taltarzac725 05-28-2023 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2221621)
I checked the kiddie clothing. Sentiments like "be kind" "I'm proud of you always" and "it takes all kinds." In rainbow colors. There's nothing that says "Hi I'm trans and proud" or "out and proud" or "lesbian and proud" or "be gay like me" or "mommy made me this way" or any other - who knows whatever perversions are in the heads of people who have a problem with this.

There is nothing "indoctrinating" about "be kind," "I'm proud of you always," "It takes all kinds," or rainbows and pictures of different cartoon characters.

If you think there is, then that's definitely a you problem, not a kid problem. The perversion is in the perception, not in the message.

This probably is crap now on Fox. I mean about the attacks on gay pride expressed in kids t-shirts and the like. Just more spreading of hate toward some are seen as OTHER.


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