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Taltarzac725 05-29-2023 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2221813)
So was gladiator fighting and persecutions should we tell kindergarteners that’s ok too? I have no problem with LGBTQ persons. I have a problem with them shoving it in my face and wanting to discuss it in school. Why should we have respect for them when they have no respect for us?


Does not follow unless you get political. All kinds of people are gay/lesbian. People of every faith and political view.

oldtimes 05-29-2023 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221818)
Does not follow unless you get political. All kinds of people are gay/lesbian. People of every faith and political view.

Yes but they don’t all aggressively flaunt it and demand special attention. They live like normal human beings and are accepted as such. I have several friends who are gay and they behave no differently than my straight friends.

Taltarzac725 05-29-2023 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2221824)
Yes but they don’t all aggressively flaunt it and demand special attention. They live like normal human beings and are accepted as such. I have several friends who are gay and they behave no differently than my straight friends.

Unless you go to a gay bar or gay/lesbian parade you will find very few people flaunting it. Pretty much no where in the Villages that I have seen.

What is the big deal with clothes for gay/lesbian people being sold by Target or whatever store? Or beer sellers supporting gay/lesbian rights.

Taltarzac725 05-29-2023 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2221815)
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221809)
No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

As for ancient Greece women were not considered full citizens, pretty much property, slavery was never thought of as anything but natural

It is called progress. Better treatment of more people and the end of slavery in its various forms. And no gladiator contests fought by slaves.

Progress should involve fair treatment of gays/lesbians. Which includes them being able to buy clothes designed and marketed for them.

manaboutown 05-29-2023 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221774)
You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece?

Not so much between males similar in age, although as mentioned in prior posts pederasty was common. I do not think most Target customers would approve of that!

"According to the opinion of the classicist Kenneth Dover who published Greek Homosexuality in 1978, given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma.[20] This stigma, however, was reserved for only the passive partner in the relationship."

Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia.

Caymus 05-29-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221827)
Homosexuality in Ancient Greece?

Not so much between males similar in age, although as mentioned in prior post pederasty was common. I do not think most Target customers would approve of that!

Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia.

It appears that it only matters what Target's management thinks.

oldtimes 05-29-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221825)
Unless you go to a gay bar or gay/lesbian parade you will find very few people flaunting it. Pretty much no where in the Villages that I have seen.

What is the big deal with clothes for gay/lesbian people being sold by Target or whatever store? Or beer sellers supporting gay/lesbian rights.

That falls under flaunting and demanding special treatment.

Taltarzac725 05-29-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2221830)
That falls under flaunting and demanding special treatment.

Hardly.

jimbomaybe 05-29-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221809)
No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

The REASON for those feeling are to foster reproduction as are the genetical imposed differences between male and female

Stu from NYC 05-29-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2221814)
You keep ignoring the Man/Boy aspect of ancient Greece homosexuality, which was the rule, not the exception...

Are you in favor of that? A simple yes or no will suffice...

What are the odds of getting a yes/no. Not good I think.

oldtimes 05-29-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2221844)

Btw, my guess is that most transgenders are not on board with all this in-your-face stuff. They probably feel like pawns, too. Their lives are difficult enough. Transgender people have been around for a very long time, but suddenly they have become useful in political pandering.

Boomer

:agree:

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-29-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2221846)
The REASON for those feeling are to foster reproduction as are the genetical imposed differences between male and female

So - here's some really cool info that you never learned:

There exist people in this world who are infertile. For whatever reason - a birth defect, injury, illness, drug/alcohol abuse, they are not capable of fertilizing an egg or carrying a child.

And yet - they are still capable of feeling romantic and even sexual love toward other people. Love has nothing, zilch, nada to do with reproduction. Most animals in the animal world don't care about love, when it's time to reproduce. Loving the person whose sperm/uterus is fertile for reproducing with them is awesome, but it's totally not necessary. Just ask any man with a low sperm count, whose wife gets pregnant from sperm harvested at a sperm bank.

manaboutown 05-29-2023 12:25 PM

Here is a video by Benny Johnson of what remains on display at a Target in Tampa.

Video: Disturbing Discovery Made Right Next to Kids Section at Target

dewilson58 05-29-2023 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221855)
Here is a video by Benny Johnson of what remains on display at a Target in Tampa.

Video: Disturbing Discovery Made Right Next to Kids Section at Target

The video speaks volumes about items focused at children.

One-zy, diary, naked pics on shirts, satan items, etc.

Stu from NYC 05-29-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221855)
Here is a video by Benny Johnson of what remains on display at a Target in Tampa.

Video: Disturbing Discovery Made Right Next to Kids Section at Target

How anyone can see this and support what Target and others are doing is totally beyond me.

dewilson58 05-29-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2221863)
How anyone can see this and support what Target and others are doing is totally beyond me.

I'll get some popcorn and wait for some supportive posters.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Sorrento19 05-29-2023 02:35 PM

They are not stupid.
Just ask yourself why they are doing this.
Connect the dots.

Bill14564 05-29-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221867)
I'll get some popcorn and wait for some supportive posters.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

Taltarzac725 05-29-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2221876)
I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

:coolsmiley::popcorn:


I had Thanksgiving with the Oakland Chorus back around 1984 while dating one of its members. She was an African -American who was part of the Oakland Chorus. We are the only straight people there but they seemed like very good and talented people. This is Oakland, CA. She was a fellow worker at Information Access Company which made a lot of indexing platforms for libraries. They also had various gay/lesbian workers.

oldtimes 05-29-2023 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2221876)
I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

And how is this going to help? This is just putting targets on children who are having a tough enough time right now because they can't even feel safe going to school. Teach them by example don't make them walking billboards.

dewilson58 05-29-2023 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2221876)
“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

Hate is very rare..................the majority don't condone or support the sin or the sinners. The sinners need to get help, not pride.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-29-2023 03:57 PM

“This recasting of homosexuality as akin to pedophilia, alongside the widespread use of similar language, is meant to legitimize the response and crackdown by governments and institutions. If gay people are not successfully framed as predators, then extreme measures against them could be questioned. However, the violence that LGBTQ+ people experience in Africa has been justified by these anti-gay groups through the construction of a narrative of intent by ‘them’ to target children.”

That's what's going on in Uganda right now, because the alt-right AMERICANS evangelicals have interfered in THEIR politics and influenced the criminalization of being gay. A man having sex with his own adult male lover can now be sentenced to life in prison. A woman who checks into a hotel with her girlfriend, in the attempt to have sex with her, can be sentenced to 7 years in prison. A same-sex couple living together can be sentenced to death, if one of them has HIV.

That's what Americans have done to Uganda by way of direct interference and manipulation and yes - indoctrination of anti-gay agenda. It's what they want to do with the USA, but Uganda is a good place to start because they already consider multiple human rights violations, imposed upon them by their government, as normal and acceptable.

Byte1 05-29-2023 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221880)
:coolsmiley::popcorn:


I had Thanksgiving with the Oakland Chorus back around 1984 while dating one of its members. She was an African -American who was part of the Oakland Chorus. We are the only straight people there but they seemed like very good and talented people. This is Oakland, CA. She was a fellow worker at Information Access Company which made a lot of indexing platforms for libraries. They also had various gay/lesbian workers.

Did I miss something or were you inferring that the Oakland Chorus are transgender? That is the subject, no?

Byte1 05-29-2023 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2221889)
“This recasting of homosexuality as akin to pedophilia, alongside the widespread use of similar language, is meant to legitimize the response and crackdown by governments and institutions. If gay people are not successfully framed as predators, then extreme measures against them could be questioned. However, the violence that LGBTQ+ people experience in Africa has been justified by these anti-gay groups through the construction of a narrative of intent by ‘them’ to target children.”

That's what's going on in Uganda right now, because the alt-right AMERICANS evangelicals have interfered in THEIR politics and influenced the criminalization of being gay. A man having sex with his own adult male lover can now be sentenced to life in prison. A woman who checks into a hotel with her girlfriend, in the attempt to have sex with her, can be sentenced to 7 years in prison. A same-sex couple living together can be sentenced to death, if one of them has HIV.

That's what Americans have done to Uganda by way of direct interference and manipulation and yes - indoctrination of anti-gay agenda. It's what they want to do with the USA, but Uganda is a good place to start because they already consider multiple human rights violations, imposed upon them by their government, as normal and acceptable.

So now we divert to Uganda as a metaphor for the US transgender issue?????

Byte1 05-29-2023 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221887)
The parents would have enough common sense and experience with intolerance not to make their kids targets while at school. They are well versed in the bigotry of 2023. Usually based on a misreading of The Bible as preached by far right loudmouths.

Interesting. Is it the "far right loudmouths" that push this gay and transgender issue on everyone, by every venue possible? Seriously? By the way, welcome back. Glad you decided not to run off, as you said you were in an earlier post. And, why does it have to be the "far right" as you insinuated? Are you making this political?

dewilson58 05-29-2023 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2221895)
So now we divert to Uganda as a metaphor for the US transgender issue?????

I kno.

That had to be the funniest post of the day.

:oops:

dewilson58 05-29-2023 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Erider (Post 2220612)
North Face to Bud Lite

"Hold my beer"

So Bud Lite loses $110 million in sales and billions in stock value, Target drops a bomb on itself, and now North Face joins the fun.

E Rider

I need to commend you as a ToTV new poster.

Almost 15,000 views and over 200 posts on your thread.

Nice Splash Down!!!

:BigApplause: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

manaboutown 05-29-2023 05:40 PM

This tune is doing well on the charts.'''Boycott Target''' rap climbs iTunes charts: '''Somebody has to stand up for the kids''' | Fox News

Oh I so regret buying TGT about a year ago. Shareholders need to take action against the woke folk in management who have cost earnings, desecrated Target's public image, angered its customers into boycotting its merchandise and tanked the stock. It was and remains gross mismanagement.

manaboutown 05-29-2023 05:44 PM

This is an interesting development. I find it rather ho hum as some Harley riders are gay men and lesbians. Budweiser teams up with Harley Davidson for VERY manly ad after Bud Light backlash | Daily Mail Online

Caymus 05-29-2023 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2221876)
I didn’t watch the whole video so I didn’t see the satan items and not interested enough to go back.

One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread.

“I don’t hate them, I just wish they didn’t exist. But since they do exist, I wish they would crawl back under a rock so I don’t have to acknowledge their right to breathe.” This is not the attitude we should want in future generations.

...and who appointed Target to decide what is an allowed attitude?

Byte1 05-29-2023 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221901)
This is an interesting development. I find it rather ho hum as some Harley riders are gay men and lesbians. Budweiser teams up with Harley Davidson for VERY manly ad after Bud Light backlash | Daily Mail Online

I dare say that there are some VERY "manly" gay men bike operators as well as some very "manly" lesbian Harley operators. I doubt that cross dressing is an issue with Harley owners. Leather is leather.

manaboutown 05-29-2023 06:02 PM

Bikers can be rough and tumble people. This just happened in Red River, NM, a very nice town north of Taos. Fight over photograph sparks New Mexico biker brawl that leaves three dead and six injured

Byte1 05-29-2023 06:08 PM

"One reason Target and others might be doing this is to try and prevent another generation with some of the attitudes displayed on this and the other thread. "

Yes, I am very sure that this is the case. .. :MOJE_whot::1rotfl:

Byte1 05-29-2023 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221905)
Bikers can be rough and tumble people. This just happened in Red River, NM, a very nice town north of Taos. Fight over photograph sparks New Mexico biker brawl that leaves three dead and six injured

Boys will be boys. More fun to ride the bikes than to sit in a bar talking about them.

dewilson58 05-29-2023 06:14 PM

What is the probability HD riders are going to run (or ride) out and buy Bud with a HD logo on it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

manaboutown 05-29-2023 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221908)
What is the probability HD riders are going to run (or ride) out and buy Bud with a HD logo on it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

They can buy it at Target. When I googled Target to see if it sold beer the thumbnail pic that came up next to the Target link on the Google page was of a stack of Bud Light cans.

Stu from NYC 05-29-2023 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2221908)
What is the probability HD riders are going to run (or ride) out and buy Bud with a HD logo on it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

I would take a bet the sun will not rise tomorrow before I think that Harley rides would buy that beer.

Stu from NYC 05-29-2023 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2221899)
This tune is doing well on the charts.'''Boycott Target''' rap climbs iTunes charts: '''Somebody has to stand up for the kids''' | Fox News

Oh I so regret buying TGT about a year ago. Shareholders need to take action against the woke folk in management who have cost earnings, desecrated Target's public image, angered its customers into boycotting its merchandise and tanked the stock. It was and remains gross mismanagement.

Hopefully that will happen. Cannot imagine large shareholders accepting a major loss in value by doing something so foolish.

oldtimes 05-29-2023 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221887)
The parents would have enough common sense and experience with intolerance not to make their kids targets while at school. They are well versed in the bigotry of 2023. Usually based on a misreading of The Bible as preached by far right loudmouths.

I know I should have quit this thread but I have to ask, where would the parents put the clothing on their kids and feel they won't be targeted by zealots?

JMintzer 05-29-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2221826)
It is called progress. Better treatment of more people and the end of slavery in its various forms. And no gladiator contests fought by slaves.

Progress should involve fair treatment of gays/lesbians. Which includes them being able to buy clothes designed and marketed for them.

You continue to ignore the "children" aspect, which is the crux of the argument...

And, if it's called "progress", why did you use the ancient Greeks as proof that man/boy relationships are "normal"?


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