[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tenorgirl

Because of criminal activity we have criminals roaming our streets with stolen guns or guns bought through the underground. People intent on committing a crime will not let rules or regulations stand in their way.

The very obvious answer is to just do a simple comparison of statistics for murder and robbery with GUNS for the US with that of Canada, Europe and Australia. Similar countries, only with MUCH fewer firearms per capita. The US is out of control because of several factors, such as the NRA stoking fear, fear of racial unrest, fear of the government, and a general "Rambo and paintball" mentality. The frontier and cowboy images in cinema and on TV is another factor.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The lawsuit has nothing to do with sensible or nonsensible gun ownership. The lawsuit has nothing to do with gun ownership at all. The lawsuit has nothing to do with guns. Or the Second Amendment. At all.

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The lawsuit is about a particular lobby group that serves manufacturers of a particular product, taking money from individual members for dues, while those members may or may not work for those manufacturers, and that lobby group subsequently skims the dues money and other donations to use on things that have nothing to do with the supposed purpose of the organization.

Now, that might not be a horrible crime, to some of you. It is to me. But to make matters worse, this organization has non-profit status under the tax code. Which is to say - it is tax-exempt. They benefit from dues that don't necessarily go to the thing they claim should be tax exempt.

Tax exemption is based on a very strict set of criteria. They have violated that set of criteria - supremely. So they're cheating the government, they're cheating members, they're cheating pretty much everyone, including the manufacturers who "donate" millions to them every year to politically support those manufacturers as a lobby.

If it was widgets that was the product - if it's Doritos. If it's KFC. If it's the cannibis growers foundation. If it's the black shoelace coalition.

Whatever the product is...

this organization exists, at this point in history, to support the manufacture of the product. It has no care for its membership, the individuals who actually pay to be members of it. This is proven by the fact that they have skimmed millions and used that membership money for things that have nothing to do with helping members with anything at all.

That is what this lawsuit is about.

Yes, they are cheating the govenment by NOT paying taxes. Therefore, they are cheating you and I, the honest taxpayers. I have always said that white collar crime if way, way WORSE than blue collar crime. And much harder to prove.

[Stu from NYC]

But the responsible gun owner which is the vast majority are not the ones doing the killing and robbing.

[tvbound]

It's apparent that many people have become so accepting of blatant corruption in recent years, that they now become upset toward those people and entities that are trying to address it. Even though the goal, is to protect them from being the ones taken advantage of or ripped off. Truly weird and scary, when you think about it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bucco

This strikes me as a response to a factual post on what the thread is supposed to be about, by someone unfamiliar with truth and facts, except those that come from him.

The doggone investigation and charges have Zero to do with guns.

It is about crooks who steal from others and spend it on them selves, present themselves in a phoney manner, lie and cheat.

Trying to change the subject of threads seems habit forming to some

This idea started off well.....then, to me, got weaker in that, talking about the NRA is almost impossible without mentioning the product that they are pushing (with lies and fears), namely HUMAN-killing games and high margin, high capacity-to-kill masses like in Las Vegas. How is it that HUMAN KILLING SPREE by a madman, USING NRA approved equipment and a "bump-stock" device to easily get AUTOMATIC , machinegun-like firing rate - every man's right? That was a tragic, HISTORIC massacre and the NRA was a factor to blame! In my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Then limit the clip, no high powered rifle should have more than 5 rounds. Next we can argue over what hi-powered? Now, home defense would be different matter?

I could live with that basic idea.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by alfredpopcorn@gmail.com

Good for you . But it’s my right to own any firearms legally. It’s not about semiautomatic weapons it’s about control. Asked Australia how that’s working out .

Yes, Australian serious crime DROPPED!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

New York City in July:

Murders up 59%

Shootings up 177%

Burglaries up 31%

Auto theft up 53%

Response from NY attorney general?

NRA lawsuit

There are larger factors for that crime increase than anything that the NY AG has control over. Failure to foresee CV spread entering NY and nearby areas by not stopping travel from Europe soon enough was a factor. Idle hands and minds is a factor in crime. Then you have the George Floyd incident caught on the many cell phone cameras around, which was a spark to erupt long needed REAL social justice resulting in protests and the usual violence that evolves. Many, many causes of crime. Also a personal attack on the NY AG that is a "smoke and mirror" tactic to lead away from the NRA subject.