How so?

If I posted 50 times a day on this forum lecturing people, would it make me any less complicit?

I didn't know that making noise granted relief from complicity.

Plenty of others here have done, and keep doing it all. You don't know all about everyone.

Steve

Nope. That's your idea of complicity.

Webster's definition is: "Association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act."

Just because someone remains silent, in no way makes them complicit no matter how much you would like it to. Silence does not equal association or participation. Silence is simply the absence of sound.

Well said, thanks.
Steve

I realize that a lot of others help.

You can usually tell...by how they post. ;)

Well said, thanks.
Steve

When I was a child yapping on and on about whatever my grandmother used to tell me "An empty barrel makes the most noise.". She was right on the money!

Not foreveryone, I suppose...but worth a thought maybe...
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"“Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly.”
― Mahatma Gandhi"

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"The wise man seeks knowledge, he just never has the idiocy to believe he knows everything. The minute he starts thinking he’s an expert is the minute he stops being flexible. The minute he grows arrogant is the minute he stops learning."

We could quote till the cows come home.

I found that on the innertube by the way.

Makes sense to me
Steve

Absolutely...dead on. :ho:

I don't believe what we're witnessing is a disrespect for all law enforcement. Clearly we've seen on most news channels peaceful protestors and law enforcement taking knees together. As Barack Obama said this evening in a worldwide telecast, most law enforcement officers are not racist (not his words), most would never kill they people they are sworn to protect. However there are still a bunch which truly want to kill African Americans because they believe them to be inferior humans and blame them for everything that is wrong with America. This thinking IS WRONG!!! If you believe that people of color are the problem with America, then you only need to look in the mirror to see who is the real problem in America.

Yep.

The ultimate irony being, that a lot of that hate from certain white folks is that they are petrified...of becoming the minority.

Now, why in the world would they be...so fearful of that?

Oh yeah, that's right, maybe it's because they know how minorities have been treated in this country...and they don't want it happening to them? :oops:


Fear Drives Hate (poke here)

And how many illegal police killings are happening. I realize that one is too many, but this dialogue sounds like hundreds. I'm betting that more police are being killed than there are of innocent citizens.

The Montgomery Bus Boycott (1955–1956)
Objective: Lessen racial segregation and inequality for blacks in the American South

Method of Protest: Montgomery’s black population refused to use public transportation.

Results: An Alabama district court ruled that the racial segregation was unlawful. The decision was appealed but upheld by the Supreme Court.

Was the Protest a Success? Yes. It also served as the impetus for the civil rights movement of the 1960s.


The Lust Lady Strike of San Francisco (1997)
Objective: Ability for strippers at San Francisco’s Lusty Lady club to form a union

Method of Protest: Strippers went on strike protesting outside the club and asking patrons not to enter unless the women were allowed to form a union.

Results: After a lengthy legal battle, the dancers were permitted to form a union

Was the Protest a Success? Yes

The “Lactivists” at Applebee’s (2007)
Objective: Stop discrimination against public breastfeeding at Applebee’s Restaurants

Method of Protest: A “Nurse-in” was scheduled — across the country, breastfeeding mothers would nurse their infants in plain view of Applebee’s.

Results: Applebee’s put out a statement saying “This situation has provided an opportunity for us to work with our associates to ensure we’re making nursing mothers feel welcome….we will also accommodate other guests who would be more comfortable moving to another area of the restaurant.”

Was the Protest a Success? Yes

Now, it can be argued that strippers being able to form a union might not be "good." And perhaps you are uncomfortable seeing a woman breastfeeding her child so for you - that might not be "good."

But unless you're here to tell us that you feel blacks should have been kept segregated and forced to sit at the back of the bus...you'll have to admit that you were incorrect in your statement that "nothing good" comes from peaceful protest.

A REAL LIFE "strong guy" spoke today...and it was extremely powerful & truthful. :bigbow:



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I know a number of retired of police officers who feel cops that abuse their power should be punished. I know two current Central FL police officers who have PUBLICLY said that "No one despises a bad cop more than a good cop."
Don't assume there isn't recognition that there are bad cops, and that bad cops should be punished.

Don't keep us in suspense, who might that be?
Steve

Well, you are not responding to the fact that the protests we are seeing now are not peaceful. Piles of bricks positioned at protest sights, cars ramming into police, bombing ATMS, looting, injuring and killing people. You have to consider the whole. Sure there are some protests that start out peaceful. But that opportunity then brings on those that have nothing good in mind. It happens all the time and we can all see it. So those starting the peaceful protests should be just as responsible for the bad deeds it precipitates.

Protesters Grab $2.4 Million Worth of Watches from Soho Rolex Store

https://external-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...D5Qjg2P1eefA-6

Conflicting reports of looting at Soho Rolex store

Oops...fake news again. :ho:

No replies to how many illegal police incidents that people are responding to verse number of illegal incidents against police. Does anyone have that answer?

The policemen who committed this crime were not old white men, they wern't even all white men either!!
So don't include me, and the majority of us old guys in your BS about 'old white men!'

So, nothing good came from the Boston Tea Party on Dec. 16, 1773?

ASMS
Remember anarchist rioters this is Florida ( no retreat) don’t be smashing on anyone car windows !

Just think if no crime was reported we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That is ridiculous. Things have changed tremendously since the 60s. Every time an isolated incident like this happens there is a gross overreaction which is exactly what’s happening right now. Every week in this country there are hundreds of blacks, Hispanics, and whites killed in major cities across the country. Police are killed practically every week in this country for no more crime than wearing a uniform. There are no protests or riots for them? Why this, why now? I know the answer, but I don’t think you do!

It’s apparent you still don’t see the systemic racism in our society. That’s what the continuing protests are about. The murder was just the trigger. You can push people only so far.

Wake up! People are upset about systemic racism. The murder was merely the match that started the conflagration.

In 2019 there were 10 black men killed by the police. 5 were armed, one said he was armed and was going to kill people and one was supposedly accidental when the officer’s gun discharged when there was a struggle for it. The officers were charged in the other three. In 2016 there were 64 black men killed by police, so it seems that the police ARE doing better with race relations, not WORSE like the MSM wants you to believe.

The policemen involved have been charged so why stir things up more with a protest. Show gratification that they are finally punishing those who did the crime.

I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

Read “Devil in the Grove” by Gilbert King. The story of the Groveland Fl. Boys.
The Tri county area is rife with racial injustice.

Who is the racsist, please re read what you said.

Peaceful protests
 

Then you haven't been watching.

Exactly. No doubt there continues to be discrimination of all types in this country. But in this case, the man was arrested because he committed a crime. He was 6'6" and agitated, so he was held down. Autopsy says he had heart disease, meth and fentanyl in his system, and had tested positive for COVID the month before. Sadly, they probably thought his cries for air were a ploy. Heartbreaking for all involved.

Sorry, I would have a hard time working with an organization that displays a closed fist on its posters. That's not exactly a peace symbol.

There is something fishy going on in this country.

Protests=In alienable rights for all for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.