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kendi 06-04-2020 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776235)
Thank You for the warning. I will make sure I stay in my home. Cause there is no such THING as a “peaceful” protest. Not in this day and age.

Sure there is, media just doesn't cover it. Saw some great peaceful protests on our home town.

nancymiller217@yahoo.com 06-04-2020 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1776331)
The problem isn't the local protesters, it's the professional agitators sent in by Soros, BLM, ANTIFA, Jackson and Sharpton that cause the problems. And before CNM jumps in, Neonazis, skinheads, and the KKK cause the same problems.

The rallies mentioned in the original post are all BLM.

life is fun 06-04-2020 07:06 AM

Amen!

kendi 06-04-2020 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bluecenturian (Post 1776898)
I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

You lost me as soon as you referenced The Washington Post as reporting FACTS.

chickyboots 06-04-2020 07:09 AM

We formed our country through protests.

Bucco 06-04-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nancymiller217@yahoo.com (Post 1776953)
The rallies mentioned in the original post are all BLM.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...bbd_story.html

Lindsyburnsy 06-04-2020 07:32 AM

Not if you watch certain cable news channels. DC protest was peaceful until they were gassed, shot at and buzzed by a military helicopter in order to make way for a repugnant photo op.

MandoMan 06-04-2020 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776362)
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Having recently retired after decades teaching college students, I believe you are definitely right that they are less racist or misogynistic or homophobic than their parents or grandparents. (They’ve been trained well in grade school.) However, many of them are very bigoted against people they consider racist or homophobic or whatever (whether they are or not). You have to follow their Politically Correct Party Line exactly or risk their hatred and attempt to get you fired. They will on occasion march, shout, and destroy property to keep you from sharing a different viewpoint. Their own viewpoint may be shared by very few, yet everyone else has to do it their way.

For example, some students get upset if people say “Latino” or “Latina” instead of “Latin-X”. Yet Latin-X is preferred by less than 5% of Hispanics. Or they get upset if I say “American Indian” instead of “Native American.” Then I explain that the “Smithsonian Museum of the American Indian” is called that because a big majority of American Indians who were polled prefer to be called American Indians and wanted the museum called that. Me? I switch back and forth and try to educate the students.

golfing eagles 06-04-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bluecenturian (Post 1776898)
I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

Thank you for interjecting some FACTS into this discussion. Now get ready to duck, since there are several posters, and we all know who they are, that will call you a racist, or that you are defending a murderous cop, or that you are "complicit" in what happened. Just ignore them.
No different than those that post the facts of Floyd's criminal record. No, that record does not justify what happened, but the media is busy trying to canonize him as a saint when he has a record of violent felonies. Now, there I've done it, I'll get called a racist as well

Joe C. 06-04-2020 07:48 AM

It's amazing how things can get sidetracked from the original post about "peaceful protest".
So I need to bring up the fact that a peaceful protest doesn't mean "non violent".
A peaceful protest should not be "disruptive". It should not lead to chaos. When protesters close down a bridge or shut down a highway, it becomes disruptive.

BTW did you see the woman on the news saying that burning and looting isn't violent, because those things can be rebuilt and replaced.

Cranford61 06-04-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1776489)
Floyd had a criminal record for drug dealing and armed robbery including robbing a pregnant woman by sticking a gun in her stomach. If he hadn’t resumed his criminal career when he got out of jail, he wouldn’t have been stopped by the police and gotten himself killed resisting arrest. The officer used a lawful control technique to restrain Floyd and should not be prosecuted. More blacks die shooting each other in Chicago everyday that by all the police in a year.

Stop annoying me with the facts. It’s clouding my truths.

golfing eagles 06-04-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1776997)
It's amazing how things can get sidetracked from the original post about "peaceful protest".
So I need to bring up the fact that a peaceful protest doesn't mean "non violent".
A peaceful protest should not be "disruptive". It should not lead to chaos. When protesters close down a bridge or shut down a highway, it becomes disruptive.

BTW did you see the woman on the news saying that burning and looting isn't violent, because those things can be rebuilt and replaced.

HUH???? Technically speaking, is that a non sequitur or an oxymoron?

hrdcorpsmarine 06-04-2020 07:58 AM

I’m sorry, but I would have to disagree with your precept.

brunogal 06-04-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776244)
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

A friend from high school and her husband participated in one in Austin a few days ago....peaceful. I participated in the protest at LSL after the Parkland shootings right here in The V, alongside some of our fantastic Villages High School students.

TOMMY D 06-04-2020 08:15 AM

Protest
 
Those guilty have been arrested . I understand those protesting are doing to address police policy's which at times are not those of the department. There are those using what has happen as an excuse to vandal and steal. Look at who these people are. Not law abiding citizens in any way. Some are kids. Yes kids. I've yet to see protest marches to address police who are killed every year. Why not. We all need to realize these men and women are the ones who protect us from what your seeing now on TV. Are you prepared to defend yourself when they approach you or your family. I find it even harder to understand how someone is paying these protesters or even those rioting and destroying property. These people have pallets and brick and stones left on streets for use.

Number 10 GI 06-04-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1776673)
I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida. :-(

Have you gone on the west side of the tracks to find out for yourself?

clwahlstrom 06-04-2020 08:32 AM

You are soooo right on!!!

Debi-G 06-04-2020 08:34 AM

old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years.
 
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776362)
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

mtlee024 06-04-2020 08:44 AM

What?
 
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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1776234)
In the 60’s I believed I would see an end to racial discrimination in my lifetime. We were getting close, then in 2017 I began to see this issue slow down, and now it is going back to the 60’s. I will be there.:pray:

If it run by the origianal BLM organization, then, based on experience, it will not entirely peaceful. Just guessing. I hope it is peaceful, but be careful if you go.

Byte1 06-04-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1776589)
I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

Sorry, but I am biased. I generally believe COPS over scumbag criminals. Yes, I saw PART of the recording where the COP used improper restraining technique with a muscular, resisting suspect. It resulted in a death. I did not see premeditated murder there and I do not know what the suspect was being arrested for. That given, I would give the COP the benefit of doubt until the investigation is complete. Most police depts utilize a use of force report whenever force is used on a suspect. Internal Affairs investigates uses of force to make sure that no one is abusing their authority. 99% of COPs are not only good but GREAT. Stats show that there is a better chance of a black man being shot by a black cop than a white cop. Just saying and not trying to really make a comparison. I do not think this is a racial thing, even though some are making it one. The first autopsy showed that Floyd had medical issues that contributed to the death.
NOW, for the subject. The protests have achieved what they wanted, justice. Now, they should go home, not push it. Protesters are being associated with rioters and criminal elements that need to be arrested. The protesters need to go home, period. The law needs/HAS to come down hard on the law breakers. We have seen family livelihood destroyed and lives actually lost due to paid criminals that have infiltrated the demonstrators. This is happening in the cities where there is probably serious gun control, or there would be less destruction. You will not see these thugs out here because they know that many of us have gun collections and know how to protect what is ours.
I saw where a good black retired police Capt was murdered while doing his job as security for a store. You will NOT see any protests or demonstrations for that good man. Why? Maybe because it was not some authority that committed the act? Or, maybe the perp was black? Who knows? Just saying.
I won't be at any racially motivated demonstration. To be frank with you, most conservatives are color blind and do not see people as color or gender. Liberals always concentrate on color or gender identity. That is the way it has always been when it comes to politics. Like bad cops, real racists are a very small group that will eventually be weeded out. There is no reason for EVERYONE to have to endure punishment for what a few "bad apples" do criminally. When you clean up the black on black crime in the cities, then come back and work on the very minute little blemishes with the rest of society. We do not need protests and demonstrations, because we already agree with ridding the country of bad actors in any position. Destruction and assaults do not influence any argument in a positive way.
A very few law enforcement officers are bad.
A very few military members are bad.
Can you say the same about politicians?

BlackhawksFan 06-04-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776236)
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

Wow.

It has happened here in FL and it is systemic. You're pretty I'll informed you may want to educate yourself before ypu post.

golfing eagles 06-04-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Debi-G (Post 1777043)
Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

Just do a search of his previous posts, and you will quickly find out that HE REALLY SAID THAT:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Marathon Man 06-04-2020 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Debi-G (Post 1777043)
Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

That is exactly what they said about us. With our long hair and our loud music, the country would be turned to shambles.

Each generation determines it own values and it own way of doing things. It is as it should be. Many of our ways are now outdated, just like our grandparents' ways.

ProfessorDave 06-04-2020 08:52 AM

Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

mflasch 06-04-2020 08:56 AM

How come they are not "protesting" for the deaths of David Dorn, Patrick Underwood and Italia Marie Kelly? You know the innocent black individuals that were murdered by the "protestors?" Guess it doesn't fit their agenda and goes to prove "Some Black Lives Matter." Pathetic.

golfing eagles 06-04-2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharrisoncmo@gmail.com (Post 1777071)
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

Your post is a bit incoherent, but please, please, PLEASE don't tell us you are equating the actions a policeman and the ensuing unrest with Hitler and the Nazis

mflasch 06-04-2020 08:59 AM

All four police officers have been charged. What's your excuse now?

Byte1 06-04-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Debi-G (Post 1777043)
Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

I have to agree with you. There is one particular network on TV that caters to young people where EVERY couple is either black and white, Asian and white or gay. Kind of hard for the younger generation to be bigoted when the norm is dictated by a liberal Hollywood media.
Our parents were of the Greatest Generation and succeeding generations have become weaker and weaker. Say what you will about the Greatest Generation being wrong in their racial bearing, they were still the GREATEST generation.
And before anyone suggests that my statement is bigoted, I come from a multi-ethnicity family. I have hopes for the next generation, but am also glad that I do not believe I will be around to see them go through their trials and obstacles to keep this country great. Thank goodness. I am sure that if my parents could see us now, they would also be shaking their heads.

Byte1 06-04-2020 09:01 AM

Agree

phylt 06-04-2020 09:03 AM

Peaceful Protests for George Floyd
 
There have been enough protests around the country to prove that they don't end up peaceful. Who needs that here?? This is what I want to know: Where are the protests condemning those who kill police? Not to minimize what happened to George Floyd, because it was despicable, statistics show THAT number to be way in excess of police killing unarmed citizens. Why are liberals allowing their "peaceful" protests to be hijinxed by looters, arsonists and other criminals and then not speaking out against it all? Ask THOSE people "Who is George Floyd"? They won't be able to tell you. They just want an excuse for mayhem. And yet liberal communities who arrest those criminals are letting them back onto the streets due to incomprehensible, ridiculously weak policies. I pity the people in those communities who DO want law and order.

We don't need any more protests. We need to stop glorifying militant groups, thinking that they are the answer. Rather, education, training and weeding out the bad apples would be a good start.

golfing eagles 06-04-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mflasch (Post 1777076)
All four police officers have been charged. What's your excuse now?

I live in NYC during the blackout of 1977. When the looting started, the media made the excuse that people were "bored". Of course, the first report of looting was 17 seconds after the lights went out (short attention span). They weren't "protesting" anything, just looting and burning some stuff. At least they didn't have BLM to bus in additional looters. And it wasn't the residents of Scarsdale doing the looting. Just the facts, no implication being made.

Perhaps with all the shut downs due to COVID-19, these looters are "bored" as well

dlb8159@yahoo.com 06-04-2020 09:06 AM

So your saying all old white folks are racist and bigots? That is pretty racist right there.

Number 10 GI 06-04-2020 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharrisoncmo@gmail.com (Post 1777071)
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

Que the Twilight Zone theme music. Keep a watch on the skies, there are black helicopters circling.

JimJohnson 06-04-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cwhitecat (Post 1776897)
The policemen involved have been charged so why stir things up more with a protest. Show gratification that they are finally punishing those who did the crime.

So do you think they will be convicted?

Ecd1810 06-04-2020 09:10 AM

Fact
 
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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

A police officer is 17 times more likely to be killed by a black man than a black man is by a police officer.
Yet the policemen and women are out there every day doing their jobs. I for one salute them.

JimJohnson 06-04-2020 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1777075)
Your post is a bit incoherent, but please, please, PLEASE don't tell us you are equating the actions a policeman and the ensuing unrest with Hitler and the Nazis

If you studied German history, you would see and understand the similarity

golfing eagles 06-04-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1777094)
If you studied German history, you would see and understand the similarity

My grandmother was there, so go ahead and educate me

Stu from NYC 06-04-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharrisoncmo@gmail.com (Post 1777071)
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

Seriously? Sorry do not agree for a minute.

ribil 06-04-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776362)
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


... the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

So your “hope for this country” is the dying off all the “old white folks”? Please write that down so you can refer to it from time to time to see how that’s going.

Travelingal702 06-04-2020 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

NEVER!!! There's enough protesting going on all over the world. Don't start something here! The powers that be have gotten the message loud and clear. They don't need us!!!


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