[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I read today that the Pfizer Covid 19 vaccine has been approved in the UK. Apparently, it can't be approved here until the panel (death panel?) meets later this month, so they can discuss whether or not it is safe for the U.S. I am sure that someone is going to post on here that they feel it is necessary for the wait. Sorry, but to me it sounds like the delay is political and not science when our leader demands that it be released and the powers that be smile and say it won't be allowed to be released until they say it can be released.

I wonder if those that consistently say that "other" countries are handling the virus better than us, will change their minds and begin to defend those that are hindering the release of the vaccine to the populace. Maybe those "important" folks that are holding it up under pretense of having a full calendar, are waiting for the death toll numbers to peak at a certain level?

I wonder if Pfizer being able to start distributing the vaccine overseas will impact the ability to provide sufficient amounts to the U.S. when the death panel finally meets and decides to allow our folks to obtain protection from the virus.

Just a few thoughts. Red tape and politics seem to be the norm in this country when it comes to any progress in pharmaceuticals.

The delay isn't political; it is the time necessary for the panelists to study the mountain of data and reach conclusions about safety and efficacy. Just stop with the stupid conspiracy theories, please.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

This 1st CV vaccine was designed and produced in Germany by a company started by 2 Muslim men.

Maybe Allah blessed those 2 guys, vaccine... what a gift to the world!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Uncle Pepe

I was told by someone that the reason the UK has the Pfizer vaccine first is that it was developed in cooperation with Oxford in England.

No. The Oxford vaccine is the Astra Zenica vaccine. It has a 60 or 70% efficacy.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dtennent

Let's separate the press releases from a company from the actual technical data coming out of the research and trials. The FDA has a system whereby independent scientists review the submitted data which is not a trivial matter. Taking a few weeks for this process to run its course to ensure a safe and effective vaccine seems prudent to me. Yes I know that people are dying. However, in the past, people have suffered greatly when the process has been short circuited.

Exactly correct, good post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I used to be a pharmaceutical sales rep. I can remember a drug, Oraflex, made by Eli Lilly. Approved in Britain before the US. had to be taken off the market less than a month after it was marketed. It had a host of side effects not seen until widespread use. Britain banned it first due the the side effects being seen. Seldane, an antihistamine only lasted about a year. there are many others. With the planned use in the entire population, I am glad they are taking every precaution in checking the findings.

Yes, logical - good post!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

When do the right drug makers meet with the FDA.

(sorry, had to)

Yes. A comma or other punctuation might be HELPFUL for that post. Thank you, Mr. Helpful.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Win1894

Each sovereign nation has the responsibility to review on its own terms, by its own standards, and by its own regulatory agency any application for a market approval of a new drug (vaccine) in that nation. The main component of that review is the clinical study conducted by the drug sponsor. Many other factors are involved in that review process such as the indications, contraindications, warnings and cautions, all this sometimes refered to as the IFU (indications for use) and labelling for the drug. None of this has anything to do with 'death panels'. The primary issues for the FDA are the safety and efficacy of the new drug. All these factors can be different in each country so both the date of submission of the sponsor's application and the length of time for review can be significantly different. None of this is a political matter. After regulatory approval the distribution and sequence of treatment will be conducted mostly a logical order based primarily on the sponsor's ability to manufacture and supply the vaccine.

That was extremely informative! And I believe that the Winchester 1894 was the rifle that won the West - very historic reference!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Larry chappel

Here is what I know. My brother-in-laws daughter is a Micro Biologist and she says they haven't even got a vaccine for the H1N1 Virus yet much less an effective one for Covid. Take at your own risk.

Right now, that is NOT the nearly universal conclusion of the World's Medical Scientists.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That was extremely informative! And I believe that the Winchester 1894 was the rifle that won the West - very historic reference!

Get educated. The Winchester 1873 was the rifle which held the title of "Won the West". The west was "won" by 1894.

The 1894 model Winchester was acclaimed to be one of the most famous and best hunting rifles of all times.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

Get educated. The Winchester 1873 was the rifle which held the title of "Won the West". The west was "won" by 1894.

The 1894 model Winchester was acclaimed to be one of the most famous and best hunting rifles of all times.

Thanks, I appreciate getting educated.

[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Pfizer and their German partner are not part of Operation Warp Speed. They did not take any federal money but are self funded. The FDA has a legal responsibility to review and approve all drug marketing in the US to assure safety and efficacy.

They did take hundreds of millions to start stock piling the drug so once it is approved they can release it immediately.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

1st a fact : the Phizer vaccine was developed in Germany by a company run by 2 Muslim men. Phizer bought into their company because Phizer has the distribution capacity................ Now, as to the quote, " our leader demands it to be released". America was not built by ANY one man (or woman). America has leaders in Medical Science that lead and decide when and IF any vaccine or medicine is READY to be unleashed upon the whole US population. No Real Estate developer is qualified to make medical Science proclamations, sorry.... the American Food and Drug Administration is the BEST in the world. They have the best reputation. No thinking American would like to lose that World honor. We need to retain all our possible honors and top-rankings that we can because they have been slipping away rapidly. The world has STOPPED holding the US in high esteem. It must be built back - a too hasty, unscrutinized interference in vaccine protocols would hurt the good US Medical reputation.

As to the quote, "Important folks are holding it up under the pretense of having a FULL CALENDAR" .........THAT IS not the reason for CAUTION. SAFETY is the reason for CAUTION. Only Pfizer and their insiders have had eyes on their own data. That is NOT good enough! Pfizer is in a hurry and in a competition and MIGHT(?) have cut corners on safety. That is why experts outside of Pfizer need to look at the DATA. It is quality control of the life or death kind. There are over 4 separate vaccines on the horizon. If this 1st one available (Pfizer) were to develop problems during its rollout period, then the ANTI-vaccinators will control the media narrative and that COULD(?) blow any nationwide HERD immunity. Nobody wants that to happen. The US can easily wait a few more weeks to encourage vaccine confidence!

Why does a person's religion need to be relevant to the subject? Does Muslim or Christian matter when discussing medicine?
So, you feel that a few hundred/thousand deaths is OK in exigent circumstances? Maybe they could just issue some more masks that are the "cure all?"
America is not held in "high esteem?" I haven't lived overseas for a few years, but I did live half my life overseas and do not agree. We are held in VERY HIGH esteem, even though there are many countries that are jealous of spoiled Americans that take our great nation of Freedom and Liberty for granted. All of the other nations emulate us in many different aspects, such as clothing, cultural music, motor vehicles and movies. But, I can understand how some would think different here in the modern and liberal world. We are constantly bombarded by the media and Hollywood by those that take advantage of all America's got to offer but turn around and disparage it every chance they get. Those that want power must make the minions feel like they NEED their leadership. I won't expound on that further because I do not wish to make this a political thread and have it removed. Some on here insist on making everything political in an attempt to shut it down.

I am all for being careful with medicines when they are created, BUT this one has been tested and tested again and again by many thousands of subjects. Whether the FDA has had sufficient time to review the documentation, I do not know. However, I am not the one that believes that the world is about to end without a miracle. I am not the one that is running amok yelling "the end is near, or the sky is falling." The UK is issuing the vaccine, period. Maybe the FDA is making it political, or maybe not. Hopefully, no one is making it political. All I know is that there are several well tested vaccines out there and there a lot of scared folks out there that need something now. Personally, I don't care if the vaccine comes out next year or the year after. I am not worried about myself. I have lived a good life and do not allow fear to rule my life.
Unlike a couple on here, I do not push the negative. Rather I enjoy the positive and feel that most others do also.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Why does a person's religion need to be relevant to the subject? Does Muslim or Christian matter when discussing medicine?
So, you feel that a few hundred/thousand deaths is OK in exigent circumstances? Maybe they could just issue some more masks that are the "cure all?"
America is not held in "high esteem?" I haven't lived overseas for a few years, but I did live half my life overseas and do not agree. We are held in VERY HIGH esteem, even though there are many countries that are jealous of spoiled Americans that take our great nation of Freedom and Liberty for granted. All of the other nations emulate us in many different aspects, such as clothing, cultural music, motor vehicles and movies. But, I can understand how some would think different here in the modern and liberal world. We are constantly bombarded by the media and Hollywood by those that take advantage of all America's got to offer but turn around and disparage it every chance they get. Those that want power must make the minions feel like they NEED their leadership. I won't expound on that further because I do not wish to make this a political thread and have it removed. Some on here insist on making everything political in an attempt to shut it down.

I am all for being careful with medicines when they are created, BUT this one has been tested and tested again and again by many thousands of subjects. Whether the FDA has had sufficient time to review the documentation, I do not know. However, I am not the one that believes that the world is about to end without a miracle. I am not the one that is running amok yelling "the end is near, or the sky is falling." The UK is issuing the vaccine, period. Maybe the FDA is making it political, or maybe not. Hopefully, no one is making it political. All I know is that there are several well tested vaccines out there and there a lot of scared folks out there that need something now. Personally, I don't care if the vaccine comes out next year or the year after. I am not worried about myself. I have lived a good life and do not allow fear to rule my life.
Unlike a couple on here, I do not push the negative. Rather I enjoy the positive and feel that most others do also.

" and feel that most others do also"..........I can feel the NEED expressed here. The need to feel that they are among friends and "like-minded", "like-thinking", "good people". It feels all warm and comfortable when a person can parrot the same thoughts as their friends and co-workers. And all can, in concert, expel out the SAME propaganda. "Hate the Eurasians, love Big Brother" !!!!!!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

" and feel that most others do to"..........I can feel the NEED expressed here. The need to feel that they are among friends and "like-minded", "like-thinking", "good people". It feels all warm and comfortable when a person can parrot the same thoughts as their friends and co-workers. And all can, in concert, expel out the SAME propaganda. "Hate the Eurasians, love Big Brother" !!!!!!

What in the world are you talking about?

And again, three times as many posts as the next highest poster. Why do you consistently try to dominate every thread you post in?

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

What in the world are you talking about?

And again, three times as many posts as the next highest poster. Why do you consistently try to dominate every thread you post in?

He thinks quantity makes up for loss of quality.