[diva1]

Why can't Blue Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter co-exist? Along with all the other colors? One slogan does not mean the other one is not legitimatel

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Suppose a black man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job, gets married, and has a few children. He never breaks the law, never gets arrested, and is a good family man. One day, he is pulled over by a white police officer and is not treated in the same way that the police officer would normally treat a white man. But, the black man obeys the police, shows his valid license and registration, and is eventually released, even though he feels like he should have been treated with more respect. Who should he blame? The police officer because he is obviously a racist? Maybe. But, how about placing at least some of the blame on the disproportionate number of black men who did not follow the same law abiding course in life, and had some influence on the police officer's perception about life. Police officers are supposed to follow a standard procedure, but they are only human.

Good point. It’s a bit like what happens when someone picking romaine lettuce in the San Joaquin Valley of California has to relieve himself, has diarrhea, but has no hand washing facilities, and a few dozen heads get contaminated with e-coli. Someone in New Jersey gets very sick, and the culprit turns out to one of the few dozen bad heads, grown in one field. But then many thousands of bags from that company and field are pulled off the shelves and destroyed. The news reaches consumers by television, and millions of people not only throw away all the romaine lettuce in their refrigerators, even from other companies, and even from other states, but stop buying romaine for a month, a year, forever. That seems really silly. (But I still get nervous in the face of a Caesar salad after the outbreak several years ago.) But meanwhile, government inspectors from the Department of Agriculture or wherever are grabbing more heads of romaine in the packing plants and testing it. Store owners may decide to keep it off the shelves. All romaine is suspected, just because of a couple dozen heads grown in one field out of a hundred million from around the country, with no more outbreaks.

Now, what if it’s not one head in ten million, or one in a million, or one head in a thousand, or one in a hundred, or one in ten, but 28.5%? If nearly three out of ten heads of male romaine lettuce was likely to be contaminated, the inspectors would be very careful to examine and test the male heads thoroughly, simply because they are more likely to make people sick. If 28.5% of male romaine can harm you, but only 4.4% of male iceberg lettuce, you would probably want all lettuce destroyed, period. But meanwhile, you’d expect inspectors to be checking the heads of romaine even more carefully. It’s just common sense, for the public welfare. Maybe even every head of all lettuces should be tested. That would be expensive, but if it’s necessary, so it goes.

What if someone gave you tickets to some event, say a real football game, with 50,000 people in the stands. Would you go if you knew there were ten COVID-19 positive people there? How about 500 (1%)? How about if there were 2,200 COVID-19 positive people in the stands (4.4%). What if it were 28.5% COVID-19 positive, nearly a third? Would you want everyone tested? I would. If fans wearing home team paraphernalia were 28.5% likely to be positive or become positive, wouldn’t you expect extra attention to be paid to testing the home team fans? Wouldn’t you hope you are sitting among the away team fans (not that that would be safe, either). Testing like that makes everyone safer, whatever their favorite team.

[Paul1934]

Missing from the comments is the fact that all officers are not White. Willing to wager that most of the DC officers the youth may have encountered were Black/Hispanic.

[Adagio43]

Originally Posted by blueash

Given your ridiculous scenario, I totally blame the cop. Here is a law abiding citizen who is mistreated by someone who is sworn to protect him because he can't see beyond skin color. Then give up your badge and become a commenter on TOTV. The cop is given special rights and special protection and special treatment and special honors and is still a racist in your scenario.

All of you who say this is just fine, it is human nature are exactly the same people who claim there is not such thing as white privilege. Yet you are presented a simple clear example of white privilege and defend it, even think it is completely reasonable. After all, those blacks are criminals and thugs and rapists and murderers and druggies and so they and anyone who shares their skin color deserves what they get.

Even if the driver in your little thought experiment is a former convicted felon he deserves to be treated with respect and exactly the same as any lily white driver unless he is at the time he is stopped committing a crime. Period.

I agree completely with this post. Everyone should be treated the same. Most of the other responses to this point are perfect examples of White Privilege in action. Some of you know it and don’t care because you know you are special.

Others also know it but try to justify/ deny their privilege with additional “facts” to justify their privilege.

It’s time to come to grips with your bias and change or admit it, you are a racist.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by diva1

Why can't Blue Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter co-exist?

Because Black Lives Matters is a marxist organization.


Black lives matter is a statement.


Huge difference.

[Nannyof3]

Thank you, thank you, thank you

[Mikee1]

The posts in this thread are an example of I'm right.

When you have a few minutes google "The Five Stages of a Society", read it and ponder and post which stage you feel we are in currently.

Can't wait to read the answers.

[BlackhawksFan]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Suppose a black man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job...

This happens every day. There's no supposition about it.

Now change the words "Black man" and insert the name if you or your spouse or one of your children or grandchildren. How do you feel about it now? You might feel profiled especially if you didn't do anything wrong.

[JoelJohnson]

Former NASA Astronaut Says Getting Stopped by Police as a Black Man Is Scarier Than Going to Space
"It's when I've been stopped by police officers that I didn't even know... I was starting to sweat and just holding the steering wheel really hard," Leland Melvin said

[BlackhawksFan]

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Originally Posted by diva1

Why can't Blue Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter co-exist? Along with all the other colors? One slogan does not mean the other one is not legitimatel

Because Blue isn't a race. There are no blue people but there are Black ones. Blue goes home at night and takes the blue off. Black doesn't get the opportunity to do that.

When you say Blue Lives Matter you might as well say accounts lives, architects lives, chefs lives, etc.

Blue is what they do. Black is what they are.

[sloanst]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Suppose a black man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job, gets married, and has a few children. He never breaks the law, never gets arrested, and is a good family man. One day, he is pulled over by a white police officer and is not treated in the same way that the police officer would normally treat a white man. But, the black man obeys the police, shows his valid license and registration, and is eventually released, even though he feels like he should have been treated with more respect. Who should he blame? The police officer because he is obviously a racist? Maybe. But, how about placing at least some of the blame on the disproportionate number of black men who did not follow the same law abiding course in life, and had some influence on the police officer's perception about life. Police officers are supposed to follow a standard procedure, but they are only human.

I disagree that the police officer is racist. Nothing of what you stated illustrates that the officer thinks he is superior to the black man in any way. The officer IS prejudiced. He has pre-judged the situation because of his past experience. One can be prejudiced without being racist. Word definitions matter.

[billethkid]

Those who cry "discrimination" promote being discriminated!!

[wamley]

You are full of WHITE GUILT guilt and a total lack of knowlege concerning the police and the job they need to perform for a society that has produced a large number of very troubled people and they come in all shades of color. Training and experince teaches the young Police Officer to be leary of everyone and be on guard when dealing with anyone. Human nature teaches us that an area well known to be a high crime area will present more frequency of dangerous situations then a non high crime area.

I have taught young PO, on the street and in the PA, that have taken their way of acting from TV shows and movies. Those are not good examples for the most part to base the way you handle people. I agree that any approach to a car stop or any contact an Officer starts off in a resonable manner. You assume that they don't. Escalations caused by the subjects actions creates escalation from the PO. The Marcus of Queensbury are not in play in these situations. When an incident progresses from verbal to physical, resisting arrest, then the Officer uses force to overcome the that resistance. Many times PO's have been killed or seriously injured in situations that start off calmly and end up violently because their is so much not know about the subject, they are strangers to each other. The subject knows that he he/she is dealing with the police. The PO sometimes doesn't know who or what he is dealing with and some times has information that someone answering a describtion that committed some crime that spurred him to question the subject. Getting complicated isn't it? Basically you resist, force to overcome resisitance is needed, you use your fists PO uses his nightstick, you use a weapon that could cause serious physical injury OR death then you will likely be shot. In most if not all the current shootings their was prior knowledge by the PO that a crime was commited or a warrant was issued by court. Resistance followed and we are where we are today. Blaming WHITE PRIVILEGE

[Marine1974]

If someone actually thinks cops are given special rights and protections , one has to wonder if that person is living under a rock and the gaslighting has been successful on them . Haven’t we seen over the course since George Floyd’s death
daily rioting, people getting in the faces and using profanity , throwing objects at the police , who are there to restore order and protect property and the livelihoods of innocent people who are black , white ,
Hispanic and Asian . Now we see police under attack by their own mayors in large cities around our nation . The police do not determine who they protect by the color of their skin . Isn’t the images of looters
have an effect on how we view them , ourselves? More police are killed
in the line of duty than police killing civilians. But some people are trying to make us by into their agenda . Im offended

[kathy1516]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

If you are stopped by the police for a traffic violation, do this:

1- Don't admit to anything.
2- Keep Your mouth shut. Don't argue. Obey his/her instructions and be respectful
3- Keep your hands on the wheel
4- Turn off the engine
5- If at night, turn the cabin lights on.
Go to court if you don't agree with the officer. It's better than going to jail.

How hard is that?

Amen! Is it possible that black children are raised to fear every police officer? Is it possible that because if this indoctrination that the blacks do not abide by the police officers command to stop and follow his instructions? Is it possible that because of this that blacks are shot because they did not follow the rules? It’s time that blacks take some responsibility in this situation. Stop telling your children to run from the police and rather teach them to obey police instruction. This would make a whole lot of difference in life and death situations.