[Luisa]

[QUOTE=Madelaine Amee;1806587]I have been waiting to see if anyone would start a conversation on the unmarked security force and the unmarked cars in Portland, OR. This is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE
No relationship to Nazi Germany. However, not using these appropriate methods is reminiscent of cartel ran Mexico.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Luisa

The only person getting beat by a stick was a policeman that had blood running down numerous places on his face and head, by a member of a BLM mob. I pray the assailant is is grabbed in an unmarked vehicle ASAP. Would you rather they use real bullets? It is very smart to use unmarked vehicles so mobs don’t assault law enforcement and vandalize marked cars.

The police have the right to defend themselves. Anyone beating an officer about the head should be handcuffed and sent to prison.

If they need to pull out their guns to do so and perhaps shoot a few criminals so be it.

[Pballer]

These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.

I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

I have been waiting to see if anyone would start a conversation on the unmarked security force and the unmarked cars in Portland, OR. This is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

This is not new and is not even close to what happened in Germany. In the late 70s and early 80s I worked on a Narcotics Task Force 'Rip Team' on the MPDC in Washington DC.

Either from surveillance of drug traffickers on the street completing deals or by an undercover officer making a buy our team would rapidly swoop in on our suspect(s), arrest and handcuff them and put them into unmarked cars, and disappear from the scene of the arrest as fast as we came in.

This method was surgical and most people on the street did not know this even happened. Very effective to not disturb the flow of the street.

If executed correctly this was done in less than a minute or two before we left the scene. These tactics were challenged in court. Every level of court appeal found no issues with this and the SCOTUS declined to overturn the Appeals Court. Like I said not new and court sanctioned.

Also as an aside, you did not need to immediately Mirandize the suspect, unless you were to question them. It all depended on the circumstances if you did it in the car or at the cop shop.

[Daddymac]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

From your reply, I can only presume that you are perfectly OK with unmarked security and unmarked cars using pepper spray and beating up people with night sticks and shooting them with rubber bullets. Is that bringing order to our streets?

I don’t see them doing that to peaceful protesters, Now people breaking windows and robbing store, YUP, IM GOOD WITH IT !!!

[blueash]

In Portland, and perhaps soon to other cities, there are unnamed persons dressed in camo carrying weapons. They are not the forces of the city, county or the state. These persons wear no identifying insignias nor any name tags. They are driving vans apparently rented. They are grabbing people walking down the street not committing any crime. These citizens are not advised of their rights, they are not given any information on who is dragging them off the streets. Essentially they are being kidnapped by unknown persons who refuse to identify themselves.

None of them have ever been given a name. None have been charged with a crime. All have been taken to an unknown site, questioned and released. That is NOT how police work. This is not a regular cop in an unmarked car wearing a name tag and a camera. These are not LEO's protecting a building, they are out in the street.

If you are paying attention you have already seen the video of a 50 yo Navy veteran who went to Portland to speak to these persons and when he approached them he was beaten and had his hand broken. He was doing nothing but talking to them. He was beaten. He was beaten. This is an apt comparison to Germany in 1936.

Watch the video. See what the man does. He is standing in the street in front of some unknown military talking. I don't care if he is cursing their mothers. He is not a threat. He is beaten and pepper sprayed. He does not resist. He never makes a threatening move. He is not endangering property. He is not raping anyone. He is not throwing any bombs. He is not destroying a statue. He is not, god forbid, producing graffiti. He is peacefully protesting and for that he is assaulted by somebody who is there contrary to the wishes of the mayor and the governor of Portland.

Stormtrooper tactics. If you saw a video of Chinese military doing this to peaceful protestors in Hong Kong you would be horrified and rightly so. Apply that same outrage to whomever is ordering this outrage in this country.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Pballer

These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.

I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe.

Sometimes it takes Homeland Security to keep law and order.

There is nothing I like about the hateful groups that gather. I think they are dangerous mobs. Marching is a euphemism for gathering with like minded people who are gonna get madder and break something and burn something. None of them are people I respect. If it takes a baton, well ....


I think no matter what happens later this year, there really won't be a winner.

[Daddymac]

Originally Posted by Pballer

These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.

I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe.

They don’t need to be invited, The Federal Government sent them in to protect the Americans people property. Looters, killers,

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

This is not new and is not even close to what happened in Germany. In the late 70s and early 80s I worked on a Narcotics Task Force 'Rip Team' on the MPDC in Washington DC.

Either from surveillance of drug traffickers on the street completing deals or by an undercover officer making a buy our team would rapidly swoop in on our suspect(s), arrest and handcuff them and put them into unmarked cars, and disappear from the scene of the arrest as fast as we came in.

This method was surgical and most people on the street did not know this even happened. Very effective to not disturb the flow of the street.

If executed correctly this was done in less than a minute or two before we left the scene. These tactics were challenged in court. Every level of court appeal found no issues with this and the SCOTUS declined to overturn the Appeals Court. Like I said not new and court sanctioned.

Also as an aside, you did not need to immediately Mirandize the suspect, unless you were to question them. It all depended on the circumstances if you did it in the car or at the cop shop.

But the people you grabbed were arrested, they were charged, they were part of a legal policing effort, they were not just grabbed then let go because there was evidence that justified their detention and charges were filed. That is absolutely not the situation in Portland. Few of the persons kidnapped have been charged or detained, just dragged off the street.

Two protesters, Mark Pettibone and Conner O’Shea, told the outlet they were chased by an unmarked minivan early Wednesday morning as they were heading home after peacefully demonstrating. Pettibone did not escape.

“I am basically tossed into the van,” he told Oregon Public Broadcasting. “And I had my beanie pulled over my face so I couldn’t see, and they held my hands over my head.”

He said the officers did not identify themselves or state the reason he was being detained, and only read him his Miranda rights after placing him in a cell. Asked if he would waive those rights to answer a few questions, Pettibone declined and requested a lawyer. He said he was released after about 90 minutes.

Does that sound anything like the drug arrest situation you described in DC?

[dadspet]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

From your reply, I can only presume that you are perfectly OK with unmarked security and unmarked cars using pepper spray and beating up people with night sticks and shooting them with rubber bullets. Is that bringing order to our streets?

Yes! They are tugs and Rioters not protestors who have no respect for property, law, and order or our great country. They are turning out great country into a 3rd world country where gangs take over the streets and there is no law enforcement or even worst Law turns a blind eye to avoid criticism or putting them selfes into dangerous situations. These rioters are taunting the police to invite a reaction and get on TV ( that loves to show the reaction).

Actually more should be done to stop the crazy destruction these Rioters cause in the name of a cause with no regard or respect for Law and Order. Portland is an embarrassment! Defund the police is an insane idea that would turn the country into an even more lawless society where the rioting groups can demand whatever they feel serves their needs and their lawless actions become an acceptable norm.

I think its time for people like me who: served their country, are proud of their country and believe its the best country, were brought up respecting Law and Order (resolving issues appropriately), to become more vocal in their beliefs.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by blueash

But the people you grabbed were arrested, they were charged, they were part of a legal policing effort, they were not just grabbed then let go because there was evidence that justified their detention and charges were filed. That is absolutely not the situation in Portland. Few of the persons kidnapped have been charged or detained, just dragged off the street.



Does that sound anything like the drug arrest situation you described in DC?

I never arrested a guilty person or had anyone complain about being arrested- sarcasm here.

Apparently you and other posters have fallen into the illusory truth effect "... have a tendency to believe something is true after being exposed to it multiple times. The more times we've heard something, the truer it seems. The effect is so powerful that repetition can persuade us to believe information we know is false in the first place.

No proof, at all, indicates the Federal officers did not engage in the precise policing actions I related in my first post.

Nothing I say will ever convince you that you or the others here could be wrong. Thanks for the post though.

-out!

[dewilson58]

I'm not doing anything illegal, so unmarked officers, unmarked cars, unmarked _____ doesn't bother me.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

I never arrested a guilty person or had anyone complain about being arrested- sarcasm here.

Apparently you and other posters have fallen into the illusory truth effect "... have a tendency to believe something is true after being exposed to it multiple times. The more times we've heard something, the truer it seems. The effect is so powerful that repetition can persuade us to believe information we know is false in the first place.

No proof, at all, indicates the Federal officers did not engage in the precise policing actions I related in my first post.

Nothing I say will ever convince you that you or the others here could be wrong. Thanks for the post though.

-out!

Thank you for your informed words of reason and your service.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I'm not doing anything illegal, so unmarked officers, unmarked cars, unmarked _____ doesn't bother me.

If it takes these looters, thieves and destroyers of personal property off the streets go for it.

[Two Bills]

As father used to say when I was a kid, and came home with a bloody nose, "If you are going to dish it out, you beter learn to take it!"
No one forced the rioters/demonstrators to be on the streets.