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These two seem very much entwined.

More study is needed though. I have talked to some Villagers and unless they are in the medical field or had a family member die of sepsis they did not know what it was.


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When I was small, I heard it called "blood poisoning".
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Several men I have known died from sepsis.
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Several men I have known died from sepsis.
Some people close to me died from it or recovered from it.

It is not a word you want to hear from your doctor. That is-- that someone's infection has gone septic. Septic Shock: Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, Treatment & More
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These two seem very much entwined.

More study is needed though. I have talked to some Villagers and unless they are in the medical field or had a family member die of sepsis they did not know what it was.


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Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired
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Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired
More research is needed. And I have been talking to now practicing doctors and nurses in the Villages over the past few months about sepsis and quite a lot.

Corona Virus and sepsis are closely connected especially with respect to numbers given for deaths from either.

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When I was small, I heard it called "blood poisoning".
Yes, from what I know its a viral blood infection. Could be bacterial too. But, Im no expert
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I had pneumonia 5 times, the last time it developed into sepsis. Was quickly put into ICU and stayed there for five days. Dr. Said had I waited a few more hours to come to the hospital there would have been no turning it around. It is very painful and because of it I have damaged lungs. Glad I got my Covid shots!
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Prior to my retirement almost a year ago, my position was Sepsis Coordinator at the hospital where I worked. I am very familiar with sepsis. Sepsis in itself is basically a bad infection——any kind of infection can lead to sepsis, even something as “simple” as a tooth abscess. So pay attention to any possible infection you may have. Sepsis can affect people of all ages, but is most concerning for people with multiple co-morbidities, the elderly, immunocompromised patients, drug and alcohol addicts, and those who are malnourished (including the homeless), to name a few.

When diagnosed early, sepsis is very treatable with fluids and appropriate antibiotics. The problem comes about as sepsis progresses along a continuum into severe sepsis and septic shock. The mortality rate increases as sepsis progresses. The difficulty that often occurs comes from the fact that sepsis can progress very rapidly and in its early stages may not always be identified as sepsis. Many times, by the time a sepsis patient arrives to an emergency room, sepsis has already passed the earlier stages, unidentified, and is progressing down the more dangerous path.

It is important to identify and treat sepsis in its earliest stages. The worse it becomes, more and more vital organs begin to shut down. Pay attention to early symptoms such as fever, elevated heart rate, faster breathing than normal —- all of these can be symptoms of any kind of infection, whether it is bacterial or viral (as in the case of Covid or flu). There are certain lab tests that can also help in the diagnosis of sepsis (such as elevated lactic acid, elevated creatinine and others). Obtaining appropriate lab work is but another reason for the importance of being seen by a healthcare provider early on when sepsis is suspected. It is much better to suspect sepsis and investigate early than to ignore or disregard even mild symptoms. Sepsis can be treated if diagnosed early and it’s progression stopped. Suspect sepsis, save lives!
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Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired

It is perhaps a symptom of panic. We are seeing it everywhere. The vaccines, to heck with everyone I'm getting a vaccine. Truth, I too am guilty. We won an appointment and got our second dose last week. I am, I have, am I more at risk than others? Reality, I did not give up my appointment for someone else. I am not aware of anyone who did.
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I know three people who live or visit our Villages' block who got Corona Virus 19 and recovered from it. They are fine.

Others I have heard of died from Corona Virus 19 here in the Villages. My cousin died from Corona Virus on January 6, 2021 but he lived outside of the Villages on the West Coast of Florida near Ft. Myers.

Sepsis is something we should always be on the lookout for especially after we overcome this COVID 19 challenge.
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Prior to my retirement almost a year ago, my position was Sepsis Coordinator at the hospital where I worked. I am very familiar with sepsis. Sepsis in itself is basically a bad infection——any kind of infection can lead to sepsis, even something as “simple” as a tooth abscess. So pay attention to any possible infection you may have. Sepsis can affect people of all ages, but is most concerning for people with multiple co-morbidities, the elderly, immunocompromised patients, drug and alcohol addicts, and those who are malnourished (including the homeless), to name a few.

When diagnosed early, sepsis is very treatable with fluids and appropriate antibiotics. The problem comes about as sepsis progresses along a continuum into severe sepsis and septic shock. The mortality rate increases as sepsis progresses. The difficulty that often occurs comes from the fact that sepsis can progress very rapidly and in its early stages may not always be identified as sepsis. Many times, by the time a sepsis patient arrives to an emergency room, sepsis has already passed the earlier stages, unidentified, and is progressing down the more dangerous path.

It is important to identify and treat sepsis in its earliest stages. The worse it becomes, more and more vital organs begin to shut down. Pay attention to early symptoms such as fever, elevated heart rate, faster breathing than normal —- all of these can be symptoms of any kind of infection, whether it is bacterial or viral (as in the case of Covid or flu). There are certain lab tests that can also help in the diagnosis of sepsis (such as elevated lactic acid, elevated creatinine and others). Obtaining appropriate lab work is but another reason for the importance of being seen by a healthcare provider early on when sepsis is suspected. It is much better to suspect sepsis and investigate early than to ignore or disregard even mild symptoms. Sepsis can be treated if diagnosed early and it’s progression stopped. Suspect sepsis, save lives!
This is very helpful. Thanks for posting this. There was a death in my immediate family from sepsis on December 5, 2020. It developed out of C.diff. C. diff (Clostridioides difficile) | CDC
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The actress Tanya Roberts, age 65, (Charlie's Angels, That 70's Show) died from complications resulting from an untreated urinary tract infection. She had just walked her dog when she came home and collapsed. From what I've heard, infections can go from bad to worse in a hurry if you don't seek treatment early enough. She didn't have Covid as far as I know but I have heard of others who have had the combo of advanced urinary tract infection + Covid not end well.
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While you are quick to jump on the bandwagon of this is not serious, it is important to note there are more than 525,000 people dead so that hardly qualifies as rare issues. Sepsis can hit anyone as evidenced in the 70's of toxic shock syndrome from use of tampons by young healthy women. It is not limited to end stage co-morbidities and can strike young healthy people, there are multiple examples of death resulting. Credentials are only important when they are backed by an in-depth scientific study that far exceeds basic degrees.
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Isn't the media bad enough at publicizing the worst possible outcomes? Individuals with no background in healthcare or infectious diseases promoting and fanning the public's fears are not helping.

Johns Hopkins Medicine states that septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria. It is the body's most extreme response to an infection. Almost any type of infection can lead to sepsis but it is not something that goes hand-in-hand with every case of COVID. Sepsis is more likely to ocurr when patients are in the end stages of any number of diseases especially people with chronic medical conditions, such as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, and kidney disease according to the CDC.

I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

- David H. Dallas, RN, ENT-Paramedic, ASN - Retired
Yet you, with no virology qualification advise people to not get vaccinated!
Just because you were a RN and a paramedic does not make you an expert on Covid or vaccinations.
You are spouting your unqualified opinion, so are no better than those you decry!
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