[toeser]

Originally Posted by T186021

How can the US have 5% of the world population but 20% of the deaths related to Covid? We have failed to protect our population from the pandemic. How did our country become so anti-science during this world wide health crisis?

The U.S. is the most traveled country on the planet, both domestically and internationally. Our vibrant economy and standard of living were direct contributors to the spread because of our ability to travel, eat out, etc. Plus, Americans tend not to be very good rules followers. Even today, with all the recommendations that have been made on mask wearing, millions don't wear them. You can try to make this political, but the simple fact is that the problem is us.

[ldivens]

Why does the US have on 2% exposed after 6 months or more? Was it because we locked down? Some doctors I've heard say this would only delay herd immunity and it sounds feasible at this point.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by BryanTheGolfPro

Follow the money. If someone dies with heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc. and they also have the China Virus, hospitals report the cause of death as the China Virus. Why? Because they get reimbursed more. Not so in other countries. FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!

You said it plain that they had the virus. Many of us over our lifetime have had heart issues , stroke and some diabetes, and if you get Covid 19 it makes you vulnerable and you could likely die. Wear a mask, social distance and wash your hands. If we all did that from March-April many lives would have been saved. It’s science pure and simple.

[Burgy]

Originally Posted by Cranford61

We, the 5%ers, also create 27% of worlds greenhouses gasses. Not a good world citizen. Connection?

I agree. We travel too much, fly too much, use up resources. And we live in a democracy that perhaps allowed too much freedom of expression and ignorance to the problem. I am a retired physician and thought it was crazy when the CDC wasn't saying wear masks at the start. Most but still not enough Villagers are acting safely but it's pretty easy to walk and play golf and not work.

[JOLIVERIO]

There is no documented proof that hospitals, as a whole, are reporting all deaths being associated with Covid-19. Maybe some, but they would be in the minority. Yes, people have other critical diseases but if COVID-19 exasperates the condition which ultimately causes the death, then the death is caused by COVID-19. In other words, if the person did not contact COVID-19, they wouldn’t have died at this time.

[BethBowen]

Die of covid or with covid and you still are dead. If you get pneumonia and already have heart problems, the pneumonia may push you over the edge.
What killed you? Would the person have lived longer if they didn't get pneumonia?
200000 deaths.
Glad no one close to you died.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by reg331

Did they die FROM the virus or WITH the virus? Big difference!

Hard to say either way.
But.
They did die because of it.
200,000 of them!

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by BryanTheGolfPro

Follow the money. If someone dies with heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc. and they also have the China Virus, hospitals report the cause of death as the China Virus. Why? Because they get reimbursed more. Not so in other countries. FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!

If you are trying to make a comment about Covid 19, then saying they died of Covid 19 When in fact they did have the Virus, then they are reporting it correctly. Having heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc. would not have been The probable cause of death, Covid 19 would be the correct reporting.

[Hogfan55]

Originally Posted by T186021

How can the US have 5% of the world population but 20% of the deaths related to Covid? We have failed to protect our population from the pandemic. How did our country become so anti-science during this world wide health crisis?

Could it be because we are a much more developed country and have the means to travel and we depend on commerce much more than those in 3rd world countries that rarely leave their homes and villages? All developed countries are doing worse than the undeveloped. Perfectly understandable but still sad.

[MaxCat]

Originally Posted by meridian5850

Same here.

Well, then you are very lucky. Many of us do know of those who have had Covid as well as those who have passed away from Covid. Very disturbing the insensitivity of some of the remarks on this thread bashing the numbers being reported as a selfish reason to minimize the impact of this terrible pandemic. Those who have lost a loved one to this know it IS real and feel their loss in immeasurable ways.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Nordhagen

Have read that the CDC said that only 6% of deaths are only due to the virus. The rest had underlying health issues that the virus, obviously, didn’t help. That’s 12,000 deaths directly tied to the virus.

If not for Covid-19 those people would still be alive. Covid-19 is new to all humans and makes them sick or not depending on their bodies defenses. Older people, even if they had no "health issues" (which would be almost impossible) are the most vulnerable and people who live in The Villages would be at risk in varying degrees due to age.

I don't understand this kind of rationale. All of those flags you saw stuck in the ground on last night's news in Washington on the mall, all 200,000 of those flags represent people who would be alive. They did die of Covid-19.

[dadoiron]

Originally Posted by T186021

How can the US have 5% of the world population but 20% of the deaths related to Covid? We have failed to protect our population from the pandemic. How did our country become so anti-science during this world wide health crisis?

It's very unfortunate but you just can't fix stupid. It's a fact. Seems the majority of the deaths were caused by individuals who just can't think for themselves in a smart way and ended up killing family members. Sad.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by biker1

What the CDC actually said was that for 6% of the deaths COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned, as opposed to several comorbidities also being mentioned. The reality is that 80% of the deaths are people over the age of 65 and the majority of those have comorbidities.

Correct.
....and 200,000 deaths were because of Covid.

[Masterchin]

96 percent would still be alive had they not had COVID-19. I too have four Doctors I’m close with and all have confirmed that hospitals DONT get paid more for a positive COVID death. Really amazing people believe politicians over science. The latest one I heard was mask don’t work. That’s why Doctors and nurses wear them every day. Twenty six years USAF and I thought During times of crisis we’re supposed to join together and generally care about fellow Americans. We pick politics over family, over country, over neighbors. We’re okay with lies and dishonest politicians as long as it serves our purpose. We should demand better from our leaders and if we don’t get it we vote them out. Leaders are supposed to unite us not divide us. Divided we will fall!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

If not for Covid-19 those people would still be alive. Covid-19 is new to all humans and makes them sick or not depending on their bodies defenses. Older people, even if they had no "health issues" (which would be almost impossible) are the most vulnerable and people who live in The Villages would be at risk in varying degrees due to age.

I don't understand this kind of rationale. All of those flags you saw stuck in the ground on last night's news in Washington on the mall, all 200,000 of those flags represent people who would be alive. They did die of Covid-19.

Sorry GG, but I have to disagree with you. SOME of those people would be alive (but for how long?), SOME died of COVID-19. We simply don't have good data to go by. There is tremendous financial incentive to hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of hospitalization and/or death. Every hospital has coding specialists that do nothing but take ALL the diagnoses on a patient chart and list them in the proper ORDER to maximize reimbursement. As you can imagine, COVID ranks high on the list, perhaps as much as $13,000 additional revenue. It makes financial sense, otherwise they are just leaving money on the table.
Death certificates are different, they are filled out by the physician, although on occasion these coding experts have asked me to change to order in which I wrote it. Needless to say, I invited them to perform a reproductive act upon themselves.