[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What "financial incentive" are you speaking of and paid to who for what???

When hospitals bill the third party payers, your stay has to fit into one of hundreds of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups), which in turn determines reimbursement. Attending physicians are asked to put down every diagnosis their patient had, then specialized "coders" arrange them in the order that gleans the most dollars. The primary reason for the hospital stay should be listed first, but these people take a lot of "poetic license" The last I talked to my ex-partners, adding COVID to the list of diagnoses was worth an additional $13,000 to the hospital, and that's a medium size hospital in Central NY, so probably more in a big city hospital where the reimbursement for each DRG is higher due to higher overhead costs. So the short answer to your question is paid by insurers or Medicare to hospitals for listing COVID as a diagnosis.
There is an anecdote circulating in the medical community that a young victim of a fatal motorcycle crash was brought to the hospital DOA. They tested the corpse for COVID and then put that as a diagnosis. True or not, I have no idea, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. My daughter in law got sick just 3 days ago with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, possible bleeding and a BP of 60/20. The first thing Wake Forrest medical did was test for COVID!!! What a joke!!! there are a lot of things I would like to know from lab testing in this case, but COVID status is not at the top of the list. But it's clear that it's worthwhile for them to test EVERYONE that comes to the hospital, and it is not solely to isolate the positive patients

[Byte1]

The woman wishes to wear a mask alone in her car and talk through it to a person dozens of feet away, behind a protective window. I am surprised that she is able to leave her home. I wonder if she wears a mask when talking on the phone.

For those that suggest that one must wear the mask after waiting the prescribed time after receiving the second dose, I'm sorry but in my case, I have no plan to continue to wear a mask after the shots. If the vaccine is not good enough to protect me from the virus, then I don't see why I even got it to begin with.
I read a study conducted by the Israelis that is still on-going for an undetermined time, that indicates (so far) that vaccinated subjects did NOT carry or transmit the virus to others. I prefer to believe their study and adjust my actions accordingly. If I am not able to transmit the virus to others once I am vaccinated, I see no reason to continue to wear the mask just because it makes others feel more secure. On the other hand, if you feel that you might transmit the invisible demon virus to others, than by all means continue to wear your safety diaper. I am not going to tell anyone that wishes to be safe to ignore their worries.
I have thought of having a T shirt made up that says "Have shots, but stay 6ft away anyway." The Israeli study seems to indicate that once a virus spore is inhaled into the vaccinated system, it is attacked and destroyed. Thus, one is unable to transmit it to others. Some wish to think that the vaccination makes your infection less serious, but that you still get sick. I prefer to think that if I go to trouble of getting vaccinated, that I will be inoculated against COVID. If it turns out that like the ever persistent FLU, that it does not protect one against infection, then I will not get any boosters in the future, if offered. I see no reason to have foreign matter injected into me for a half-@ssed effort to reduce the effects of the virus. Now, that's just my opinion and I have no wish to influence anyone else's decision to get the vaccine. Like I said, I am waiting for my second dose. If I am wrong, then I have only lost a few hours to the effort of obtaining the vaccination.

Be careful, stay safe and enjoy life. You only get one ride so make it a fun one.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Rosie1950

So if the sign on the door says shirt and shoes required to enter OR no receipts no returns, or any other store policy posted, am I under the impression YOU are King and can decide what store policy you think could possibly pertain to YOU?
Disorderly conduct is an arrest-able offense. Love to be a witness to that big shot.

I do not know of any store that displays the sign that enforces it. When I shop, I always see folks without masks, and they pay at the register without anyone commenting on their lack of mask. Sorry, but there will be less and less folks wearing a mask now that there is a vaccination, whether or not they get it. Personally, I do not make it my problem that they are not wearing a mask.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by RoadToad

What about spittle particles ejected from their mouths as they speak?

You know, the little "spits" from english phonics.

Masking seems prudent to me.

Have you always worn a mask? If not, why? Give people some space if you fear their germs. I don't like folks in my face either, but I am not going to wear a mask unless a business requests it. And then, I may still consider it depending on whether or not I have one available. Once I have the vaccination, I will consider myself "safe." At least, until someone proves otherwise. If I believed otherwise, I would not have bothered with the shots.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Yes, you will be wearing a mask in any place that mandates it. No one ever said the mask comes off once the shot goes in. Apples n oranges when you say why get the vaccine if you still need to wear a mask. One has nothing to do with another.

I disagree. It IS related. We have never had a time where we were told to wear a mask in a store, until now. Once vaccinated, I will no longer wear a mask in a store unless requested. And then, still maybe not. No one is enforcing it. Why in the world would I wear a mask if I felt there was proof that I am safe from harming others? I have no intention of contributing to the idea of mandated mask wearing in America.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

I had a nice, distanced chat with a lady while waiting in drive thru banking lanes at a local bank. We lamented the difficulty of being understood while wearing a mask. She was in a drive-thru bank lane...alone in her car...wearing a mask...talking to a bank employee via a video screen. She's had BOTH shots and was well past the two-week wait time. She said "you have to" continue wearing a mask. My question: what's the point of frantically finding where one can get a vaccine if we "have to" continue wearing a mask? I, for one, will NOT be wearing a mask once vaccinated and past the waiting period.

That 'FRONTIER MENTALITY' is what got us (the US) in this dilemma in the 1st place. Your government started letting you down about this time (Feb) last year. You paid taxes, but were let down to the tune of about 150,000 deaths and similar hospitalizations and cases. Your taxpayer-funded CDC will tell you when the time to stop wearing masks and distancing and indoor activities should begin. Trust the SCIENCE!

You would NOT or should NOT leave a bomb shelter until you hear the ALL CLEAR signal. The VIRUS is mutating as we read this and may determine our behavior more the vaccine, which MAY (?) be wasted in people's bloodstream. We don't know - until we KNOW for sure!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by John_W

What did she say when you asked, why are you wearing a mask alone in your car by yourself? Did you mention that the bank teller was inside the bank and not in the speaker.

That is neither humorous nor informative!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is neither humorous nor informative!

Kind of like 98% of your posts..

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I agree. That's why I don't stop at red lights, don't wear my seatbelt, I light up my cigarette wherever I damned well please, I cut in front of you in line (yeah, that's me, every single time), I cough out, why should I ruin my silk sleeved shirt when I can cough on YOUR shirt (or arm, woopsie!). If I need money, I just grab it from your pocket. If I need a place to sleep, I'll break into YOUR house, clock you over the head, and push you off the bed.

Because ain't no government gonna mandate MY every move, no sirree.

Good logic as to why the frontier mentality needs to be left behind on old John Wayne movies. Not applicable to modern, REAL, interconnected social life.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by banjobob

Great comment I agree wholeheartedly. The mask issue is lame if you are vaccinated immunity and otherwise healthy, those with health issues protect yourself but don’t expect the world to conform.

Conforming may require laws - like seat belt laws.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by maggie1

Unless you're wearing a sign on your chest that reads "I've had my vaccine"., I'll bet people give you a wide birth when they see that you aren't wearing a mask. I believe any business has a right to establish rules for the safety of their customers and wearing a mask during these turbulent times is for the protection of others. How about the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, would you take issue with that? Personally, I would feel a lot better if everyone wore a mask, at least it shows me they care about someone other than themselves.

There is a certain love of humanity shown by the mask-wearers. Just ask yourself, Would Jesus wear a mask?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

You can still contact the virus and pass it on to others. Then there’s the new variants of the virus about which little is known.

Please, please be considerate of others who may not have been vaccinated. You can get the virus and infect others like me and my wife. Our doctor tells us that with our medical situation infection will have serious results, possibly even a lethal outcome.

I hope that you and yours make it through this Pandemic - your posts are among the MOST thoughtful!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ladyarwen3

Why are we calling people names? I grew out of that in grade school

It became sanctioned by our behavior-modeling leaders about 5 years ago - I noticed!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

The purpose of the mask is primarily a social function for a start to your programming.
In the 1930’s the Japanese knew that one could not successfully invade America, too many home defenders.
The Chinese have said that America needs to be disarmed.
Disarming America when we stand together would be very difficult. Like the story of breaking one twig versus a bundle, divided we fall.
The mask is a symbol in your mind that you cannot trust the other person. This has an impact, don’t roll your eyes.
If you begin distrusting your neighbor and coworker then you will understand when someone rolls up and takes their property.
Maybe you go along with a rumor that they need reprogramming. Maybe you don’t trust them and you get in a dispute, so you turn them in.
The mask is about programming, not the pathogen.
Obey your new Chinese Overlords and wear that mask!

Incredibly strange logic - to twist mask-wearing into a Communist plot! I am in awe with the darkness of it.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is a certain love of humanity shown by the mask-wearers. Just ask yourself, Would Jesus wear a mask?

Whether or not you have a religious connection...that isn't funny or even witty.