[Bay Kid]

Are our leaders so blind to what is going on in main street America? All across the country there are help wanted signs but people are paid too well by the govern not to work. Is this someone's plan to increase wages, or just destroy the country?

Lack of workers is even hurting China. Not enough workers to unload the ships full of Chinese junk at our ports.

[billethkid]

When the government, special interest groups and minority groups stop advocating and paying people to stay home.

Why is the concept of being paid to stay home being the problem so difficult for so many to grasp!!??

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Florida's unemployment rate is very low. That means most people who are "working people" are already employed. Florida has a high retiree rate, and a LOT of people have fled the north to move to Florida to retire in the past year. They've chosen to not return to work at all, and they're not getting unemployment or bonuses for staying home. They're retired, taking early pensions.

A lot of stores had closed down completely, gone out of business. All of THOSE employees have had a year of unemployment and career advancement educational opportunities. MOST of them have found jobs either in the same sector, or moved up to better jobs in other fields.

The rinky dink minimum wage stores and fast-food joints now have to compete to get employees, because most of those employees are seeking better elsewhere - and are getting better elsewhere. For instance: Publix isn't suffering for lack of employees. Why? Because they start their crew out at better than minimum in the first place. Plus a modest benefit package that doesn't exist anywhere else, including stock options for part-timers.

Dunkin gives you a free cup of coffee during your shift, and you have to buy your shoes from an approved online vendor. Why would anyone WANT to get paid minimum wage to work at a place like that, when they can work at Kohl's and get a sign-on bonus, you can buy your shoes wherever you want, and you get a discount on whatever you buy in the store?

People ARE back to work. They've been back to work. They've just chosen to not work at places where they felt they were treated like dirt.

[Two Bills]

When will America go back to work?

Tomorrow!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Florida's unemployment rate is very low. That means most people who are "working people" are already employed. Florida has a high retiree rate, and a LOT of people have fled the north to move to Florida to retire in the past year. They've chosen to not return to work at all, and they're not getting unemployment or bonuses for staying home. They're retired, taking early pensions.

A lot of stores had closed down completely, gone out of business. All of THOSE employees have had a year of unemployment and career advancement educational opportunities. MOST of them have found jobs either in the same sector, or moved up to better jobs in other fields.

The rinky dink minimum wage stores and fast-food joints now have to compete to get employees, because most of those employees are seeking better elsewhere - and are getting better elsewhere. For instance: Publix isn't suffering for lack of employees. Why? Because they start their crew out at better than minimum in the first place. Plus a modest benefit package that doesn't exist anywhere else, including stock options for part-timers.

Dunkin gives you a free cup of coffee during your shift, and you have to buy your shoes from an approved online vendor. Why would anyone WANT to get paid minimum wage to work at a place like that, when they can work at Kohl's and get a sign-on bonus, you can buy your shoes wherever you want, and you get a discount on whatever you buy in the store?

People ARE back to work. They've been back to work. They've just chosen to not work at places where they felt they were treated like dirt.

Then there is no one left to miss the extra $300/week when it gets cut off, at least not in Florida.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Then there is no one left to miss the extra $300/week when it gets cut off, at least not in Florida.

There are still people unemployed. As I said (which I'm SURE you read since you're a clever gent), the Florida unemployment rate is LOW. And, being that clever gent that you are, I'm SURE you realize low does not equal non-existent.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Florida's unemployment rate is very low. That means most people who are "working people" are already employed. Florida has a high retiree rate, and a LOT of people have fled the north to move to Florida to retire in the past year. They've chosen to not return to work at all, and they're not getting unemployment or bonuses for staying home. They're retired, taking early pensions.

A lot of stores had closed down completely, gone out of business. All of THOSE employees have had a year of unemployment and career advancement educational opportunities. MOST of them have found jobs either in the same sector, or moved up to better jobs in other fields.

The rinky dink minimum wage stores and fast-food joints now have to compete to get employees, because most of those employees are seeking better elsewhere - and are getting better elsewhere. For instance: Publix isn't suffering for lack of employees. Why? Because they start their crew out at better than minimum in the first place. Plus a modest benefit package that doesn't exist anywhere else, including stock options for part-timers.

Dunkin gives you a free cup of coffee during your shift, and you have to buy your shoes from an approved online vendor. Why would anyone WANT to get paid minimum wage to work at a place like that, when they can work at Kohl's and get a sign-on bonus, you can buy your shoes wherever you want, and you get a discount on whatever you buy in the store?

People ARE back to work. They've been back to work. They've just chosen to not work at places where they felt they were treated like dirt.

Anything to back up those claims?

Oh, and almost no one is working for minimum wage, nor have they been for some time...

"In 2020, very few workers earned the federal minimum wage of $7.25, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics: Just 247,000. Another 865,000 earned less than that, probably due to a combination wage theft and exceptions for tipped workers and others."

"In 1980, when the federal minimum wage was $3.10 ($9.86 in 2019 dollars), 13% of hourly workers earned the federal minimum wage or less. Today, only 1.9% of hourly workers do. The number of federal minimum wage workers has decreased from 7.7 million in 1980 to 1.6 million in 2019. This is partly due to states establishing higher minimum wages than the federal level."

Minimum wage in America: How many people are earning $7.25 an hour?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Anything to back up those claims?

Oh, and almost no one is working for minimum wage, nor have they been for some time...

"In 2020, very few workers earned the federal minimum wage of $7.25, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics: Just 247,000. Another 865,000 earned less than that, probably due to a combination wage theft and exceptions for tipped workers and others."

"In 1980, when the federal minimum wage was $3.10 ($9.86 in 2019 dollars), 13% of hourly workers earned the federal minimum wage or less. Today, only 1.9% of hourly workers do. The number of federal minimum wage workers has decreased from 7.7 million in 1980 to 1.6 million in 2019. This is partly due to states establishing higher minimum wages than the federal level."

Minimum wage in America: How many people are earning $7.25 an hour?

Didn’t you see my post? Those questions are answered.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Florida's unemployment rate is very low. That means most people who are "working people" are already employed. Florida has a high retiree rate, and a LOT of people have fled the north to move to Florida to retire in the past year. They've chosen to not return to work at all, and they're not getting unemployment or bonuses for staying home. They're retired, taking early pensions.

A lot of stores had closed down completely, gone out of business. All of THOSE employees have had a year of unemployment and career advancement educational opportunities. MOST of them have found jobs either in the same sector, or moved up to better jobs in other fields.

The rinky dink minimum wage stores and fast-food joints now have to compete to get employees, because most of those employees are seeking better elsewhere - and are getting better elsewhere. For instance: Publix isn't suffering for lack of employees. Why? Because they start their crew out at better than minimum in the first place. Plus a modest benefit package that doesn't exist anywhere else, including stock options for part-timers.

Dunkin gives you a free cup of coffee during your shift, and you have to buy your shoes from an approved online vendor. Why would anyone WANT to get paid minimum wage to work at a place like that, when they can work at Kohl's and get a sign-on bonus, you can buy your shoes wherever you want, and you get a discount on whatever you buy in the store?

People ARE back to work. They've been back to work. They've just chosen to not work at places where they felt they were treated like dirt.

It always sounds good when you choose to make up your own facts as you go. But let’s look at the actual facts. The national unemployment rate is 5.5%, it was 3.5% in 2019, an increase of 57%. The Florida unemployment rate is 4.9% it was 3.1% in 2019, an increase of 58%. So basically your entire post is factually incorrect…
But keep posting - don’t let actual facts get in your way…

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Are our leaders so blind to what is going on in main street America? All across the country there are help wanted signs but people are paid too well by the govern not to work. Is this someone's plan to increase wages, or just destroy the country?

Lack of workers is even hurting China. Not enough workers to unload the ships full of Chinese junk at our ports.

I don't think anyone knows when America will go back to work. But, to answer your other three questions:

No, yes, and yes.

[Bucco]

I believe it is an oversimplification of major proportions to lay any problems at the feet of the expanded benefits.

Today, when the new jobless claim information was given, this is one take on the situation...

"And on June 19, another eight states — Alabama, Idaho, Indiana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, West Virginia and Wyoming — also conducted their own phaseouts of these unemployment benefits. The states that have opted for these early phase-outs have done so with the hope of incentivizing workers to rejoin the labor force. Many economists, however, have suggested a confluence of other factors, including childcare difficulties and concerns over getting sick have, have also impacted labor supplies."

Jobless claims: Another 411,000 Americans filed new unemployment claims last week

This is not simple and cannot be simply said in one sentence. Many have changed their entire thoughts on both members of the family working, either for good or temporarily for example.

This will take time and all this "blah blah blah" is not going to change anything or make it better

Keep in mind that many economists feel this labor "shortage" is something the will be us for a long time...

"America is facing a double-dose of workforce challenges, Bradley said. There are too many people without jobs. And there are too many jobs without skilled people to fill them.

A recent national survey of local chambers of commerce, 90 percent reported that it is “difficult” for businesses in their area to hire workers, with two-thirds reporting it was “very difficult,” Bradley said. Less than 1 percent said it was easy to fill jobs.

Many industries are being affected including agriculture, education, manufacturing, healthcare, hospitality, computer software, and construction. A recent survey of the commercial construction industry shows that 85 percent of contractors are having difficulty finding workers, he said. Of those, 34 percent have had to turn down work.

“All this slows down the economy. Indeed, local chambers of commerce are twice as likely to say that a lack of workers is holding back the economy as they are to say that Covid is holding it back,” Bradley said.

American dilemma: Too many jobs. Not enough workers. - Chamber Business News

The US Chamber offers a number of thoughts on addressing the situation....worth at least a quick read.

It is not one very simple thing.

[manaboutown]

When the absurd unemployment payments finally stop. People have been paid NOT to work more than if they went to work.

We taxpayers are going to be picking up the tab of course. We always do.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Rather than use the punitive method to get people back to work, how about Michigan Gov. proposal and give the employees $300/week incentive to go back to work. You get more bees with honey. QUOTE=Bucco;1964498]I believe it is an oversimplification of major proportions to lay any problems at the feet of the expanded benefits.

Today, when the new jobless claim information was given, this is one take on the situation...

"And on June 19, another eight states — Alabama, Idaho, Indiana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, West Virginia and Wyoming — also conducted their own phaseouts of these unemployment benefits. The states that have opted for these early phase-outs have done so with the hope of incentivizing workers to rejoin the labor force. Many economists, however, have suggested a confluence of other factors, including childcare difficulties and concerns over getting sick have, have also impacted labor supplies."

Jobless claims: Another 411,000 Americans filed new unemployment claims last week

This is not simple and cannot be simply said in one sentence. Many have changed their entire thoughts on both members of the family working, either for good or temporarily for example.

This will take time and all this "blah blah blah" is not going to change anything or make it better

Keep in mind that many economists feel this labor "shortage" is something the will be us for a long time...

"America is facing a double-dose of workforce challenges, Bradley said. There are too many people without jobs. And there are too many jobs without skilled people to fill them.

A recent national survey of local chambers of commerce, 90 percent reported that it is “difficult” for businesses in their area to hire workers, with two-thirds reporting it was “very difficult,” Bradley said. Less than 1 percent said it was easy to fill jobs.

Many industries are being affected including agriculture, education, manufacturing, healthcare, hospitality, computer software, and construction. A recent survey of the commercial construction industry shows that 85 percent of contractors are having difficulty finding workers, he said. Of those, 34 percent have had to turn down work.

“All this slows down the economy. Indeed, local chambers of commerce are twice as likely to say that a lack of workers is holding back the economy as they are to say that Covid is holding it back,” Bradley said.

American dilemma: Too many jobs. Not enough workers. - Chamber Business News

The US Chamber offers a number of thoughts on addressing the situation....worth at least a quick read.

It is not one very simple thing.[/QUOTE]

[Bill14564]

To claim that none of the problem is due to the expanded benefits is disingenuous. Of course it is part of the problem. There may be other reasons too, but the expanded benefits are one of them.

It's really rather simple, if company A and company B need the same employees and company A starts paying more then the employees will go to company A. If the Govt is going to pay $14+/hour but company B only pays $12/hour then employees will go with the Govt.

The Govt wanted to set a $15 minimum wage but that didn't work. The Govt then voted to enhance unemployment benefits to the point that the benefits were competitive with what some companies were paying. If they couldn't force companies to pay more they could draw employees away from companies that pay less.

We can argue over whether company B should pay more than $12 but that isn't the point here.

Economists and the Govt tell us that analysis shows the expanded benefits are not the issue; companies that are trying to hire lower-wage workers say something different. Economists and the Govt told us things about the pandemic based on analysis as well - I'll believe the companies.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Are our leaders so blind to what is going on in main street America? All across the country there are help wanted signs but people are paid too well by the govern not to work. Is this someone's plan to increase wages, or just destroy the country?

Lack of workers is even hurting China. Not enough workers to unload the ships full of Chinese junk at our ports.

You know of course that we have lost 600,000 souls, some of which were part of the work force.