[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by maistocars

and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca)

Did you review the chart showing deaths and vaccine status? That shows a whole different story. Also, if you review the chart by age, it shows the people being hospitalized are overwhelmingly seniors. So, if you're old and don't get vaccinated, you're really putting yourself in danger.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Johnsocat

What a horrible thing to wish upon another human being..

Don't think he was wishing anything, just stating facts. Unvaxed are the ones dying and then weaken immune.....sad...but pretty much sums it up

[Taltarzac725]

I like wise laws with great attention to fairness. Some people paint with too wide a brush.

Some of these huge companies have employees who probably have little contact with other people. First responders, most nurses, some doctors and others would have many more opportunities to contact COVID.

Common sense often seems missing.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Proveone

Our US Supreme Court is a joke! Many large companies want the mandate. We will never rid our country of Covid until the anti vaccination population gets vaccinated. But then on the brighter side, if they don't get vaccinated, they will probably die off!

Unvaccinated are not the problem; no matter how many times that lie is repeated. The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated whether symptomatic or not. That is truth. That is science.

100% vaccinated cruise ship cancels cruise and returns. Tell me again how getting vaccinated allows you to take cruises and roam the planet without a mask.

Passengers stuck at sea after Norwegian cancels cruise mid-voyage | TheHill

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Mandates be damned!

Great! Now we don't have to pay our Federal taxes. No mandates, no rules, no laws....let's all go to the square nude to protest all mandates.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by xkeowner

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.

The more inclusive mandate COULD have given great protection against hospitalization, death, and hosts for further variants to 80 MILLION US citizens. SSSSOOOOO SAD!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by xkeowner

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.

My ex-favorite lady....R.B. Ginsberg. What was she thinking?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Never gonna make both sides of any issue happy.
Accept the rules of law as it stands, for the moment. Do your best to try and stay healthy and safe. Try not to get sucked into a debate where you know no one is going to change their mind, for said debate is destined to devolve to attempts at ridicule and belittling.

Good luck, all.

Debating is a centuries-old (maybe since anthropological time) method of conveying GOOD information and allowing the audience to learn and draw better conclusions than without debates. Socrates and early Greek states LOVED debates - it was a cornerstone for their early DEMOCRACIES. lincoln debated at a key point in US History.
.......The proof IS in THIS pudding........would a person rather live in a society with low or zero debates - aka a Dictatorship. Or a society that ENCOURAGES debates.....aka a Democracy. Be careful what you choose and wish for! Today, it is important!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by flflowers

Don't know why you always dis on the unvaccinated, they are unvaccinated for personal reasons, everyone is different,....when vaccinated carry a higher viral load, so unvaccinated should be more afraid of you.... vaccinated can get AND transmit covid so what difference does it make? get your one hundred boosters that have been proven to not make a difference and move on with your life....

Hymmm......??????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by taruffi57

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".

95% of medical Doctors and medical staff are FULLY vaccinated! ONE UN-vaccinated Doctor in Leesburg died of Covid. Funny how the anti-vaxxers use the term "jab" instead of vaccination. The term vaccination MUST frighten them! I find that hilarious. The former President IS fully vaccinated AND boosted.

[macawlaw]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

My ex-favorite lady....R.B. Ginsberg. What was she thinking?

What am I missing? RBG is dead.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by maistocars

and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca)

Glenn Beck has been working on his "natural herd immunity". He KEEPS getting it. And "Uncle" Phil Valentine a radio show host of Nashville, Tn. fame rode his "natural immunity" all the way to the PEARLY GATES. Many have followed him.......about 800,000! Good old "individual freedom of choice" - got to love it!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Glenn Beck has been working on his "natural herd immunity". He KEEPS getting it. And "Uncle" Phil Valentine a radio show host of Nashville, Tn. fame rode his "natural immunity" all the way to the PEARLY GATES. Many have followed him.......about 800,000! Good old "individual freedom of choice" - got to love it!

We are having a nice, congenial, civilized DEBATE - right now. Got to LOVE it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rogerk

If the population wants vaccine mandates let Congress pass a law. It is NOT up to the Executive Branch.

The Executive Branch has made decisions in the past during emergency times. I must in clear conscience, after studying the issue, believe that today's WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC is a TRUE emergency.

[Koapaka]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Did you review the chart showing deaths and vaccine status? That shows a whole different story. Also, if you review the chart by age, it shows the people being hospitalized are overwhelmingly seniors. So, if you're old and don't get vaccinated, you're really putting yourself in danger.

First it was get the vaccine and you wont get COVID...then they change to get the vaccine and booster and you wont get seriously ill.

As of today, they are saying those that are vaccinated and die from it had serious underlying health issues as co-morbidities is the reason.

Well DUHHHHH

Now just how many people in the 60-80 yr old range do any of us know without SOME kind of underlying health issue???

Always an excuse as to WHY the vaccine did not do what it was intended/touted to do, and they and the vaccine are not to blame, YOU ARE!

I'm just amazed how easy people just blindly follow someone who has turned this country inside out with wrong choices/decisions and yet still hang on his continued empty promises and assurances. Especially given the email leaks that are showing that Fauci has known all along about the gain of function research backdoor and denial.

Has ANYONE noticed death rates are not reported? It is all about the number of infected and how quickly this new variant spreads? That is because there are NOT the deaths to use as fear tactics, or they would be reporting them for sure. Even here locally, the "less than 10" deaths is being used in reporting for Sumter, Lady Lake and Fruitland Park. Well, 9 deaths is WAY different than 0 deaths, but they both fall under the "less than 10" deaths reported.

To say pediatric cases in ICU have doubled, does that mean from 1 to 2 admits, or are we talking 1000's???

They speak vaguely when it suits their agenda and they can't refute the obvious, which is the vaccines are not working to keep it from being caught or spread.