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Old 06-11-2020, 10:28 AM
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Santos Urgent Care, with offices in Mulberry Grove, Lake Sumter Landing, and Colony Professional area, offers both PRC testing for the active virus and anti-body testing.

You don't need to be symptomatic and don't need permission from your primary care physician.

Cost is covered by most types of health insurance, including Medicare, and the copay likely covered by your Medicare supplement.

You can just walk in, but if you have active symptoms they want you to call ahead 888-693-2340. But you can still get tested.

I was tested on a recent Saturday and got the results the following Tuesday (thankfully, no evidence I had been exposed to the virus).
Interesting. Did you have symptoms or did you just want to see if you were infected for that period of time? I have been curious as to why anyone would get tested unless they had a specific reason, such as a requirement before entering a work place, etc.
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:38 AM
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It's a good thing that blacks are in law enforcement, but yet people of color somehow out number white people in prison. There's an old saying "To someone with a hammer everything looks like a nail" , we've allowed black people and people of color to become the nail for law enforcement and that needs to change. When police officers need to fill their quota for the week the easiest place is to head to the black neighborhood. In either neighborhood you'll find someone driving drunk, riding with their high beams on, loitering, jay walking. But going to the black neighborhood is much easier than going shaking down some white kids in an affluent neighborhood, less pushback from affluent whites, and because whites have been hypnotized to believe that blacks are inferior, inclined to criminal behavior, etc... ,probably from watching COPS and Live PD, we argue that it ok.

In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners. And while Hispanics represented 16% of the adult population, they accounted for 23% of inmates.
I do not know what the facts regarding the context of those stats are, and I am not sure anyone really does. IF there truly is a racial bias in arrests/convictions/sentencing, it should be addressed. I am not ruling out that there is bias, but stats on percentages do not necessarily mean bias. However, are you suggesting that we should make sure that our prison population is set up to match the population, regardless of the ratios of crime commission? It SEEMS like when objective rules are made for sentencing, they are criticized because they would affect persons of color more harshly. But the rules should be set up independently, rationally and based on the impacts of the crime to society etc, then just applied blindly, and let the numbers fall where they may.
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:49 AM
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On the other hand, what rights are minorities "lacking" that need to be demanded?
The Black Lives Matter protests are for Civil Rights. Civil rights, guarantees of equal social opportunities and equal protection under the law, regardless of race, religion, or other personal characteristics. It's clear that black people and people of color are unfairly discriminated against, targeted, incarcerated, and/or killed. If you believe that people of color are inferior to white people, less educated, poor workers, more inclined to violence, need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, are sucking on the governments welfare tit, are drug dealers and pimps, then you are part of the problem perpetuating the oppression of equal rights of black people and people of color.

Black people and people of color are human beings who unfortunately get targeted by law enforcement more often than white folks because of systemic racism.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:08 AM
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Interesting. Did you have symptoms or did you just want to see if you were infected for that period of time? I have been curious as to why anyone would get tested unless they had a specific reason, such as a requirement before entering a work place, etc.
Because of multiple posts on this site, including the one I responded to, to the effect that testing was not available in The Villages. I got tested so I could share my experience and the facts that I learned in the process.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:19 AM
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The Black Lives Matter protests are for Civil Rights. Civil rights, guarantees of equal social opportunities and equal protection under the law, regardless of race, religion, or other personal characteristics. It's clear that black people and people of color are unfairly discriminated against, targeted, incarcerated, and/or killed. If you believe that people of color are inferior to white people, less educated, poor workers, more inclined to violence, need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, are sucking on the governments welfare tit, are drug dealers and pimps, then you are part of the problem perpetuating the oppression of equal rights of black people and people of color.

Black people and people of color are human beings who unfortunately get targeted by law enforcement more often than white folks because of systemic racism.

Do you have any facts to support your claims of targeting? Numbers do NOT indicate intent or bias. They are an indicator to delve further into the situation, but unless the context is fully analyzed, it is not possible to tell if race was even A factor much less THE factor for the difference.

IF due to whatever, societal factors, people of color committed more of certain crimes than other races, would it be acceptable to you to incarcerate them at an equal rate to the commission rate?

Here is a statement I can support 100%... We as as society need to address the fact that the number of people of color in the prison population is hugely disproportionate to their population.

A statement I cannot get behind without any proof to support it is..."Black people and people of color ... get targeted by law enforcement more often than white folks because of systemic racism
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:22 AM
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I do not know what the facts regarding the context of those stats are, and I am not sure anyone really does. IF there truly is a racial bias in arrests/convictions/sentencing, it should be addressed. I am not ruling out that there is bias, but stats on percentages do not necessarily mean bias. However, are you suggesting that we should make sure that our prison population is set up to match the population, regardless of the ratios of crime commission? It SEEMS like when objective rules are made for sentencing, they are criticized because they would affect persons of color more harshly. But the rules should be set up independently, rationally and based on the impacts of the crime to society etc, then just applied blindly, and let the numbers fall where they may.
Some people believe its a "Nature" problem - Blacks are just inferior, naturally inclined to violence, etc..., I believe its a "Nurture" problem, our society is forcing these people to become this way. Forcing them both physically and mentally. It wasn't that long ago that our country was segregated, and the perception, and maybe the reality, black education was behind that of whites. As such why should we hire an uneducated black person for any technical well paying job, and in many places the laws were such preventing black people from getting advanced education so as a society we were preventing black people from advancing (I'd recommend the movie Hidden Figures). Many will say, oh that was a long time ago, we don't have those problems today, laws have been put in place to prevent racism, etc... - trust me, I've seen it first hand, racism is alive and thriving, people who practice it know how to try and not get caught at doing it. I've only been in The Villages for a few months, however its been my observation that the racial make-up of the Villages does not match that of the rest of the country. There are, as far as I can tell, very few people of color that live in The Villages. Has there been any research as to why that is? Some might say its too expensive to live in the Villages and blacks can't afford it (racist thinking), some might think its too hot in Florida and blacks don't like the heat (more racist thinking), some might say blacks don't play golf or like to swim (again racist). I don't know the answer, only what I observe, but it would be a great case study.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:29 AM
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I do not understand why the local govt's are allowing the destruction and criminality to continue
Votes? Afraid of being called a racist?
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:55 AM
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Excuse me . So protestors and rioters are one in the same ? Just the fact that all pandemic rules were not followed is similar to committing murder ? Isn’t that what we where told ?
If the protesters that weren't wearing mask was putting people at risk can not the said of the police? Does two wrongs make anybody right?
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:58 AM
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If the protesters that weren't wearing mask was putting people at risk can not the said of the police? Does two wrongs make anybody right?
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:00 PM
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I'm trying really hard to stay neutral and support these protestors...but they are really stretching it with all the damage that they are doing, for what damn reason???? It's their own damn neighborhoods that they are trashing
I don't need to try hard to support these protesters. First, a miniscule number of people broke into places like pharmacies (might be where some of the testing results were kept), retail stores, FOOD stores-- most of these stores would have supplied them with things they might have felt jypt out of in their lives. Without using the words that would "qualify" what you really mean to say, it sounds like ALL the protesters did this looting. Instead, I might have said, "I'm really trying hard to stay neutral and support the protesters because of those who looted in the crowd," or something like that. I think more of us would feel comfortable with that insight.

Second, a lot of these protesters are millennial people. As a totally separate generation from us, they seem to think and react in many ways differently from us. If you have had children, you might have realized early on that they were not becoming "just like me".

So, bottom line... I can support your feelings because I "think" you didn't mean to paint all protesters with the same brush. Am I wrong?
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:59 PM
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Dr. Birx said that 70 COVID-19 testing sites were destroyed by the "protests."

Dr. Birx Says George Floyd Protests Have Resulted in the Destruction of 70 Covid-19 Testing Sites | National Review
I used to be able to watch the news. Can't anymore. Distorted thinking, needless destruction, excuses, chaos. My brain can't tolerate it. Feel sick, turn it off, feel better.
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:37 PM
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Oh my. Firsts they protest ignoring social distancing and than destroy something that might be helpful in saving their lives.

As the old saying goes, cannot fix stupid.
Apparently, Pelosi feels that "taking a knee" might help. But, when the officer did it, instead of praising him, he will be incarcerated for the rest of his life. One just can't win with everyone. Just being facetious. I agree, you cannot fix stupid. Apparently some feel that throwing money at the problem can glue anything back together again.
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:52 PM
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It's a good thing that blacks are in law enforcement, but yet people of color somehow out number white people in prison. There's an old saying "To someone with a hammer everything looks like a nail" , we've allowed black people and people of color to become the nail for law enforcement and that needs to change. When police officers need to fill their quota for the week the easiest place is to head to the black neighborhood. In either neighborhood you'll find someone driving drunk, riding with their high beams on, loitering, jay walking. But going to the black neighborhood is much easier than going shaking down some white kids in an affluent neighborhood, less pushback from affluent whites, and because whites have been hypnotized to believe that blacks are inferior, inclined to criminal behavior, etc... ,probably from watching COPS and Live PD, we argue that it ok.

In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners. And while Hispanics represented 16% of the adult population, they accounted for 23% of inmates.
Confusing. So, are you saying that we should only arrest proportionate to the amount of color in a populated area? Or, are you suggesting that white criminals are given more breaks than black criminals? I apologize for not seeing how someone can accuse racial bias based on actual and existing crimes committed by anyone, based solely on the quantity of color incarcerated. By that reasoning, since there is approximately 51% female population in the U.S. there should be equal amount of females incarcerated. But, there is only about 10% females in prison. That should indicate that law enforcement is sexually biased against males, right? Yes, once again I am being facetious. But, the argument that in today's law enforcement that there is overwhelming racism in upholding the law, is ludicrous in my opinion.
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Old 06-11-2020, 02:03 PM
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The Black Lives Matter protests are for Civil Rights. Civil rights, guarantees of equal social opportunities and equal protection under the law, regardless of race, religion, or other personal characteristics. It's clear that black people and people of color are unfairly discriminated against, targeted, incarcerated, and/or killed. If you believe that people of color are inferior to white people, less educated, poor workers, more inclined to violence, need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, are sucking on the governments welfare tit, are drug dealers and pimps, then you are part of the problem perpetuating the oppression of equal rights of black people and people of color.

Black people and people of color are human beings who unfortunately get targeted by law enforcement more often than white folks because of systemic racism.
I have seen and heard the word "systemic" quite a bit lately. It is being used improperly in my opinion.
White (and males of color) males are being targeted by law enforcement more often than females, therefore according to the above analogy, there is systemic sexism against males. Female population is a little over half the country, therefore if we do not have half the prison population females then there is a problem with systemic sexism. Or whatever fancy word you wish to call it.
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Old 06-11-2020, 02:18 PM
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It's time for the military to step in. Now they are taking over areas! This whole thing went bad very fast. These activist groups saw a way in and went full speed ahead and these stupid young kids are so gullible. What happened to Floyd was disgraceful. No one is denying that. Why isn't there big hype over that retired officer who was killed protecting a friends store? He was a respected law abiding citizen who contributed to society. Why aren't they televising his funeral and memorial service. It's just sickening.
This November, I hope EVERYONE gets out there and makes the right decision because this county is going to hell.
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