I suppose that in order to be "FAIR" regarding the "transgender" issue, we would have to change the rules for ALL sports and now allow all the athletes to use hormones/steroids legally. After all, if a transgender individual is allowed to use hormone therapy(?) and compete, wouldn't it be "fair" to allow ALL other athletes to use performing enhancement drugs? I suppose logic and common sense should be discarded in favor of being "fair" to a minority group in order NOT to offend them. Saying "no" should be banned when raising children, so as to NOT cause them mental anguish while growing up.

Although all your statements are true, IMHO, you’re response misses the main point of this topic; fairness in sports.

No one will ever convince all people to be fair and kind to people that believe there are more than two genders. I’m this specific situation though, I agree that “sexually reassigned” people should not be allowed to compete with the new sex of players they now align with.

If transgenders want to compete, start their own league.

A male is a male and a female is a female.
The more we do to change this is something that I find DISGUSTING, SICK, and the more we cater to these people and applaud them and put them in the social and political spotlight, and give them government posts, the worse it gets.
IMHO, you are how you were born.

Thanks!
 

Thanks for your empathic response.

Where did I say that? I did not. How do you spell red herring?

OK then, if you prefer, let's change the question to this:

The Old Testament words you quoted about cross dressing are truly the word of God and are to be obeyed. So does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?

Seriously, you 'guys' (males) out there are worrying too much about this.

Eventually, women are going to take care of this themselves as the 'unfairness' and social acceptance diminishes. Girl power.

So, what do the ladies out there posting here feel about competing against transgenders in athletic events? Has your daughter or granddaughter lost out on a scholarship yet?

Would love to hear from the female's perspective.

I believe your idea is taken out of context.

Right on Gracie! I don't always agree with you (and that's okay), but you hit a home run here!

Give me a break. No wonder our country is falling apart. I am pretty sure that ALL babies I have ever seen were born with a gender. How can you people be serious about men competing against women in sports? We know what party has got all this bs started. I believe freak show is the correct term. I can guarantee you one thing- no father I know wants one of these freaks going to the bathroom with his daughter!!!

Atypical would be better. Yes, the thread did digress, and some posts were hurtful. Compassion is called for when people are born transgender. We don’t allow name calling in our schools, and it is disappointing when adults do it and did spark a reaction. Getting back to the original topic, I do not believe transgendered females should compete with biological females. It is a complicated issue which will take time to figure out.

Thanks for your response to bring some real science and true empathy to this complicated issue.

Well you did say this;

So taken in context, since the Old and New Testaments were "written by humans", what they say is not the Word of God?
If that's not what you meant you should choose your words more carefully.

What's this got to do with those that choose transgender as well as those transgenders that enter into sports? There is quite a bit of difference of "born with..." and those that chose to mutilate what they were born with, on the basis that they wish to be a different gender.
This whole thread is based on transgenders in sports, not the morality of sex change or homosexuality. No one is being "hateful" on here. They just do not agree with others, therefore have their own opinion. Hateful seems to be often misused lately.

Oh ya? Here is a direct quote from this thread: "yeah, we hate them.. And putting quotations around 'people' is simply dehumanizing them as people who commit those atrocities don't deserve the title of 'human'..."

As for "insinuating" that hatred is implied when using a slur like freak, such an insinuation is no different than when using "hebe" for jew, the N word for a person of color, "beaner" for Latino, "homo" for gay, "fatso" for the obese, etc.

I'm going to anticipate that you (or someone) will argue that those epithets do not necessarily imply hatred, per se. OK, maybe, but it's indisputable they are condescending at the very least. And again, while we have a right to be condescending or even hateful, we will be scorned by a civilized society.

Thank you for your list of “abnormalities” that do occur.

Unless you’ve had a personal experience with with someone as you’ve stated, you cannot criticize fairly or with any basic knowledge of the issue.

Society used to shun left-handed people, or people with epilepsy. Grow up and acknowledge this malady exists.

We know they exist, that isn’t the point which is total distortion of fair play for the LPGA. The answer is to develop competitions between transgender participators. Now we’re talking about equality!

Oh come on. It's a fact they were written by humans! That doesn't mean the message didn't necessarily come from God.

I chose the words "written by humans" purposely to allow for the possibility that they were changed or enhanced. Saying it's "fine" if you believe they are the literal word of God allows for the possibility they are the unvarnished truth.

I respect everyone's take on religion and spirituality, but this getting into the weeds is not suitable for this forum, in my opinion. We can pick apart each others words for hours, as has been going on since religion first appeared.

That said, I can't help but notice you've dodged the key question twice: "So does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?"

Where we are and how we got here. We are attempting to accommodate everyone.
It is simply impossible to do.

Many years ago the Russians gave male hormones to their Olympic athletes. It was declared illegal. I recall seeing a follow up article on those women. As I recall there was a high rate of suicide. They could not or had trouble getting pregnant.

I am not religious but I do believe in nature. What we are doing cannot be called by anyone on any side of this issue as being natural.

Jenner, the the public spokes person for transgenders. Was a male Olympic star now a female. HUH? Truth of not, I've read he/she/it prefers women sexually.

Happy transgenders?

Can you prove those were Jesus's words. After all they were written by humans also

I cannot. And you have a point.

Are you saying you believe some of the bible but not all? Or that some of it is the word of God but not all? Just wondering.

No, no I'm not

Does this mean that Jenner is a lesbian? Asking for a friend.

I am left handed. The world should all be left handed. Wait, I have a pair of left handed scissors and I can't use them. I force the blades apart due to having lived in the real world.

The world cannot accommodate everyone.

New York City had a plan to put in more public restrooms. As I recall they looked at several. One was being used in France and I think it was the top contender. It never happened reason insistence that they must accommodate people in wheel chairs and then I think blind people. To get a plan that would work would require people in every location to help whatever is the pc word. Result badly needed public restrooms were never put up.

Nothing is or ever will be perfect and yet we demand perfection. Where we are and how we got here.

Truth, reality, I do not know, I do not care.
Labels? Jenner is running on the republican ticket in California. Talk about confusing.
I expect, rather than asking here, you could call the campaign office and ask.

Not quite subject related, but......does that mean Jenner is gay? If Jenner is now female, and Jenner prefers women sexually, it seems to me that would make Jenner homosexual, correct? Just a rhetoric question, which means no answer necessary. But, you have to admit, this makes an interesting point or hypothesis.

I'm sorry but just because he/she "feels" like a woman or "wants" to be a woman or "thinks" she's a woman, he/she is still a MAN in the structure of his/her body. That means he/she has male muscles that a woman can never have and he/she should NOT be allowed to compete on any women's format.

Perhaps sensitive individuals should not enter into discussions where they might be offended by someone else's difference in opinion? I must have missed the part in the First Amendment that stipulated that freedom of speech must be limited to only agreeable comments. Sorry about the sarcasm. I put that caveat on, so you would know that I am being sensitive to others' concerns about "hateful" language. :icon_wink:

Wow, a hairy subject to open.

Many people refuse to realize that for them freedom of religion is so long as it is my religion. A major problem when people talk about religion in public schools.

As far as the words of Jesus, they were not written till centuries after the death of Jesus. We all have played the game called telephone. A complected tale is told one by one to a line of people and then you/we are amazed at how it has changed with the retelling.

The new testament has been edited, translated into most languages and all versions are not the same.

He should be playing men he is not a woman and should not be allowed on LPGA,not fair to actual women

That would remove all women from fair competition.Play according to your birth gender.

Then I'm overjoyed you respect Jesus' admonition not to judge.

Yes, Caitlyn Jenner is a lesbian. Who cares?

I can't deny the freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment and I wholeheartedly embrace it here and everywhere. That does not mean that give-and-take discussion where divergent parties can possibly learn from each other should not take place.

Kind of off track from the subject, BUT....... the "words" of Jesus were written by Apostles, right? I do not believe they lived "centuries" after his death. I am no expert, but I am pretty sure. :pray:

Give it a rest. You are intelligent enough to know I was NOT rendering a medical opinion. I can remember at least 2 pre-op and two [post-op transgender patients, and they were all treated with the utmost of respect, dignity, and professionalism. So don't give me that "a doctor, no less" crap.

What I expressed was a personal opinion, we are still permitted that in America, the PC police haven't taken that away completely(yet). And it is not without basis. We have mapped the entire human genome, and I don't think we have found the "transgender" gene. So the argument that they were "born that way" is, well to be polite, unsubstantiated. Therefore there is something in their environment/upbringing that led to their condition. Maybe mommy gave the boys too many dolls to play with or the girls the GI Joe bazooka. Maybe there was sexual abuse at a very early age. But in any case, I've found that all transgenders I know have deeply seated psychopathology.

Unless you go to some third world craphole for your surgery, legitimate programs will do very thorough psychiatric testing. That, in and of itself , should tell you something.
But as I said before, I don't "hate" transgender people, I simply disagree with the premise. So for all those holier than thou posters who didn't like the word "freak", I ask if you ever cured pneumonia or treated HTN or DM for your transgender neighbors?? I didn't think so, thus the guy with the "don't judge" line can judge that.

And back to the OP----I played golf with a transgender individual (male--->female). He/she was hitting their drives 280-300. At least he/she didn't play the yellow tees with all the other "girls".

To get back onto the subject; I wonder how women feel about this. Considering the fact that men should have NO say, metaphorically speaking, since we are speaking of Women's sports, I think it is totally up to the females of this country to dictate how this should act out. Do women think progressively to the point that they welcome men(?) that appear to be women into their cadre? Do they feel that they can compete in a female based genre sport with male hormone, male birthed individual that prefers to dress as a female? Just wondering. Maybe they like the idea of competing with a she/male(? no slur intended) in hopes of reveling in knowing that they beat a competitor that is for all intents and purposes still considered physically a male to the females in the competition. On the other hand, how many females would consider it "fair" to have to compete with what they might consider a male in a female sport? This really has nothing to do with which bathroom someone uses, or sexual preference. This is about sports.

I wonder if Biblical morality is considered "political" for purposes of posting in this forum. Well, I guess I'll find out soon enough.

The fact is that HE is not a woman.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1:27)

A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, KJV)

God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)

The transgender agenda encourages and exploits confusion. It is NOT good for those who consider themselves transgendered.

The transgender movement is destructive to society and that includes female sports.

The trend we have seen in the USA from its leadership in Washington, D.C. this month is not good.

But it is consistent with the type of immorality expected for the last days (cf. 1 Timothy 3:1-15; Romans 1:18-32).

Political correctness and immorality run amok.

Straight from the horse's mouth...

3 Connecticut high school girls are suing over a policy that allows trans athletes to compete in girls' sports - CNN

Lets hope Bryson DeChambeau dosn't go all Victorias Secret, and get on the LPGA Tour!