[xNYer]

Originally Posted by justjim

OP, with all due respect the prosecutor is doing her job with the evidence she has available. I might add evidence that we are not privy to. However, a person is assumed innocent until proven guilty. You make some valid points and entitled to your opinion. So many cases are decided by Social Media opinions without knowing all the facts and evidence in a case. The Court/Jury will decide in due time.

Somehow not being for a city and being from a two parent family absolves them of guilt.
We know what you really mean.

[Number 10 GI]

This country has a VIOLENCE problem and we need to figure out why and work on fixing that problem. You can ban guns, swords, bow and arrows, crossbows, knives, crowbars, hammers or any other tool used to kill but that won't stop the violence. Violent people will find a way to commit murder regardless of bans on any kind of weapon or possible weapon. Stop focusing on the tool and concentrate on the tool operator.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

This country has a VIOLENCE problem and we need to figure out why and work on fixing that problem. You can ban guns, swords, bow and arrows, crossbows, knives, crowbars, hammers or any other tool used to kill but that won't stop the violence. Violent people will find a way to commit murder regardless of bans on any kind of weapon or possible weapon. Stop focusing on the tool and concentrate on the tool operator.

If you did that, you'd need to point a finger at the parents - and THEIR parents, who brought up parents who are so lousy at parenting their own kids.

That would mean - pointing the finger at the vast majority of Villagers, since they ARE those grandparents who raised the generation that raised the current crop of teenagers.

And we can't have that. So instead, we blame the schools. Or we blame the "system." Or we blame the government, or we blame too many gun restrictions, not enough gun restrictions...

The problem is with the generations that created this toxic environment that the younger generation is now stuck living in.

[Accidental1]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Interesting how times change.

Back in the day we used to bring our guns TO school. Gun safety was a class offered a couple of times a year, and consisted of both classroom teaching and instruction on a range near the school. It was nothing to see several kids during the time the class was offered bringing their guns on the school bus (cased, of course). Guns were stored in the principal's office until it was time to use them on the range but ammunition was usually carried loose in our pockets, and no one gave it a second thought.

Oh--and we carried knives too. No self-respecting lad back then would EVER have left the house without is trusty Barlow or Ka-bar. Useful in school especially if the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

Interesting though...back then the three biggest behavior "problems" at school were chewing gum, running in the halls and surreptitiously passing notes in class.

What changed?

I wonder how the number of guns per capita has changed over time?

[Lindsyburnsy]

Sounds like model parents to me. A lot like Rittenhouse’s mother. Who thinks it’s good parenting by taking their underage kid across state lines with an AK15 that he illegally possessed. I’m sure her day in court will come too.

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Parents called to school & they refused to take him home, knowing he purchased (& had) a gun. Then the parents were on the run.

[Lindsyburnsy]

People hv not learned how to take responsibility for their own actions.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you did that, you'd need to point a finger at the parents - and THEIR parents, who brought up parents who are so lousy at parenting their own kids.

That would mean - pointing the finger at the vast majority of Villagers, since they ARE those grandparents who raised the generation that raised the current crop of teenagers.

And we can't have that. So instead, we blame the schools. Or we blame the "system." Or we blame the government, or we blame too many gun restrictions, not enough gun restrictions...

The problem is with the generations that created this toxic environment that the younger generation is now stuck living in.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Certain news stations constantly spew unjustness, people trying to replace us, anger, anger, that works up negativism and rage, to boost ratings. You can’t cut down a tree without a saw. Free for all gun ownership is dangerous. QUOTE=Number 10 GI;2037653]This country has a VIOLENCE problem and we need to figure out why and work on fixing that problem. You can ban guns, swords, bow and arrows, crossbows, knives, crowbars, hammers or any other tool used to kill but that won't stop the violence. Violent people will find a way to commit murder regardless of bans on any kind of weapon or possible weapon. Stop focusing on the tool and concentrate on the tool operator.[/QUOTE]

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you did that, you'd need to point a finger at the parents - and THEIR parents, who brought up parents who are so lousy at parenting their own kids.

That would mean - pointing the finger at the vast majority of Villagers, since they ARE those grandparents who raised the generation that raised the current crop of teenagers.

And we can't have that. So instead, we blame the schools. Or we blame the "system." Or we blame the government, or we blame too many gun restrictions, not enough gun restrictions...

The problem is with the generations that created this toxic environment that the younger generation is now stuck living in.

Nope, not "the vast majority" of Villagers. I do agree that it is lenient parents that are the root cause. But, contributing to that is the hippy ideology taught in our public schools and lack of discipline. The radical brainwashing on TV programs doesn't help either. Violent games being allowed by parents at home, is not helpful.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Accidental1

I wonder how the number of guns per capita has changed over time?

I imagine that the number of guns have always been on the increase. The TOTAL number of guns in America is estimated by some pretty reliable sources as about half a billion, give or take a few hundred thousand either way. Per capita? pretty much the same, I would think, if you are looking at the population as a whole. But in my opinion gun ownership is not the same as owning, say, socks. Gun aficionados, in my opinion, may own multiple guns, while some of the more fervent anti-gunners avoid them like the plague.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Nope, not "the vast majority" of Villagers. I do agree that it is lenient parents that are the root cause. But, contributing to that is the hippy ideology taught in our public schools and lack of discipline. The radical brainwashing on TV programs doesn't help either. Violent games being allowed by parents at home, is not helpful.

You really need to learn more about the words you choose. "Hippy [sic] ideology" is the antithesis to what's going on here, and it's not being taught in schools. Or in the home, or even in churches, and certainly not politics.

The "peace love and crunchy granola" ideology has taken a back seat to "power at all costs" ideology.

The Hippie movement was rife with drugs, but mostly it was about peaceful protest and anti-war.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

This country has a VIOLENCE problem and we need to figure out why and work on fixing that problem. You can ban guns, swords, bow and arrows, crossbows, knives, crowbars, hammers or any other tool used to kill but that won't stop the violence. Violent people will find a way to commit murder regardless of bans on any kind of weapon or possible weapon. Stop focusing on the tool and concentrate on the tool operator.

that's the argument made after all these shootings. don't look at guns at the cause....but, then what do you propose to tackle the problem of keeping guns out of the hands of these people? are you at least advocating for more funds for school counselors so these kids can be helped before becoming violent?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's interesting to see which members insist "it's not guns that kill people, it's people who kill people! Don't take away the guns!"

And the same people who also insist "It's the turn signals that create problems, not people driving incorrectly! Take away the turn signals!"


(disclosure: I'm all for 2A, and equally for restrictions on who may use them firearm -types- and proving qualifications for use (licensing). I'm also all for turn signals, and equally for restrictions on who may use golf carts and proving qualifications for use (licensing).

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You really need to learn more about the words you choose. "Hippy [sic] ideology" is the antithesis to what's going on here, and it's not being taught in schools. Or in the home, or even in churches, and certainly not politics.

The "peace love and crunchy granola" ideology has taken a back seat to "power at all costs" ideology.

The Hippie movement was rife with drugs, but mostly it was about peaceful protest and anti-war.

A word substitution sometimes has to be used to prevent being punished/banned/sent to the penalty box. But, the term "hippy" was probably understood by most others on here, for what it was meant to convey. Sorry if it went over your head. Either you did not catch on to it or you took exception to it. Whatever.........

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's interesting to see which members insist "it's not guns that kill people, it's people who kill people! Don't take away the guns!"

And the same people who also insist "It's the turn signals that create problems, not people driving incorrectly! Take away the turn signals!"


(disclosure: I'm all for 2A, and equally for restrictions on who may use them firearm -types- and proving qualifications for use (licensing). I'm also all for turn signals, and equally for restrictions on who may use golf carts and proving qualifications for use (licensing).

Yes, there is a certain segment of folks that would regulate every aspect of life. There is NO need for more rules and regulations when the existing ones on the books are not enforced. STOP signs are not just for registered vehicles. The traffic signs are for ALL, including golf carts and bikes. Time to cast blame where it is....on the dummies that refuse to believe that rules apply to them. Driving is a privilege NOT a right. If one wishes to poke around in a golf cart, then they should understand how it operates and turn their signals off after making a turn. I do not condemn anyone for forgetting. Many folks, old and young forget when they are not automated turn signals. Even I have forgotten on an occasion. Seems to me that folks our age would have learned patience by now. The ONLY reason for being in a hurry is to get to the ER or beat the rush hour traffic heading for the Golden Corral so you can get in at the head of the supper line.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You really need to learn more about the words you choose. "Hippy [sic] ideology" is the antithesis to what's going on here, and it's not being taught in schools. Or in the home, or even in churches, and certainly not politics.

The "peace love and crunchy granola" ideology has taken a back seat to "power at all costs" ideology.

The Hippie movement was rife with drugs, but mostly it was about peaceful protest and anti-war.

As many times as I have disagreed with you are certainly right on this the "Hippy" is personified by peace , love, chill out bro, non violent, (of course the right drugs help a lot)