[Wyseguy]

Now we can move on to mandating no smoking. The money and health risks these smokers cause to themselves and others. No alcohol. It will create safe streets for our children to play. People need to get tested every 3 months to be sure they are not drinking or smoking. There is so much good we can do to society by eliminating these "problems". We should also remove the children of anyone not taking the kind of effective, possibly safe, jab. Remove children of those who smoke. They obviously are not fit to be parents. We can train the kids to listen to us, as we obviously know what is best. Think of how great the Villages would be if we eliminated these burdens to society.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by jdulej

So, if if we can’t fix everything, don’t fix anything? There is a pretty easy fix available for Covid and the vast majority of Americans have said (via polling) that everyone should take it unless they have a hell of a good reason not to (“I don’t want to” is not a good reason)

There is not an easy fix to COVID. It is going to be like the flu and will be around forever.

The government mandate does not allow for 'a hell of a good reason not to.' People that have recovered from COVID have far superior and longer lasting antibodies than the vaccine gives. They are still required to get the vaccine if they fall within the government mandate.

I personally believe this is about government power and control and they are not going to stop with this mandate. Next will be a mandate for the booster. Then something like gun confiscation in the name of public health. If we don't stop with the government over reach now, it will be Katie bar the door time.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.

Doesn't it seem counterproductive; but it is true. You'd be able to read about if if the tech companies were not censoring doctors and scientists.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by GeriS

If that is the case why is it the vaxxed are the ones getting the new variant?

Walensky said CDC investigations have found that the amount of virus present in vaccinated people infected with Delta is similar to the levels found in unvaccinated people with Delta infections. That's an indication that vaccinated people can easily transmit the virus .

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by petiteone

As a retired MD, I can only state that there are so many inaccuracies in your statement that I am at a loss for words to explain them.

Walensky said CDC investigations have found that the amount of virus present in vaccinated people infected with Delta is similar to the levels found in unvaccinated people with Delta infections. That's an indication that vaccinated people can easily transmit the virus.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by jdulej

You lost me with this one. Has fox news cooked up another variant?

Perhaps you should start to watch Fox news, you appear shocked by what is common knowledge. The VIEW is no way to get all of your information.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by skarra

Seems to make sense that everyone wanting a government handout should prove they are vaccinated.

Also travelers should have to be vaccinated. That makes a lot of sense too for ALL airline travelers along with wearing a mask as they have to do now.

We do need some way of verifying ones status. I don’t like these cards that are easily forged.


That’s a lot of common sense.

So what you are saying, is anyone getting public assistance; Welfare, medicaid, food stamps, child school lunch, all should be vaccinated or no benefits?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jdulej

I don't agree with this, but somewhere in our checkered past it was decided that corps are like people with similar rights. I as a person am perfectly within my rights to not allow someone in my house (or to work for me) who is wearing a pistol, or doesn't have shoes on, or isn't vaxxed, or is vaxxed. The same holds with a corp (as I understand it) and any employee is perfectly free to find employment elsewhere if they don't like the rules.

Sounds reasonable and fair to me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by lkagele

At the risk of being labeled as a conspiracy theorist, follow Alex Berenson on substack.

You mean this guy?

Alex Berenson: The Pandemic's Wrongest Man - The Atlantic

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Do you ever ask yourself why we're mandating a 'vaccine' that really isn't? It's really nothing more than a good therapeutic. What do you want to bet that it's only a matter of time before they start mandating the boosters?

Well, if you put it that way......being it is a "good therapeutic" then, in most cases, it prevents symptomatic disease in the vaccinated. Call it what you like, it still sounds good to me.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Finally someone who has done their research. I don't think they realize that & what the spike protein is doing to their arteries.

well, getting covid may reduce gray matter volume in the brain....can possibly lead to early dementia and of course there's the latest information about it causing erectile dysfunction.

oh, and the American College of Cardiology says this: If you have a heart condition, you are more likely to get very sick from the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines given as shots are a powerful way to help prevent you from getting COVID-19.

I can't believe all the nonsense being spewed here. and I, for one, will be more inclined to book a United flight now.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

well, getting covid may reduce gray matter volume in the brain....can possibly lead to early dementia and of course there's the latest information about it causing erectile dysfunction.

oh, and the American College of Cardiology says this: If you have a heart condition, you are more likely to get very sick from the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines given as shots are a powerful way to help prevent you from getting COVID-19.

I can't believe all the nonsense being spewed here. and I, for one, will be more inclined to book a United flight now.

The spike protein cause blood clots because it irritates veins and arteries. It would stand to reason the more shots you get the more you are susceptible. All the other things you mentioned are just scare tactics.

And I hate to break this to you, but it's something you should know by now: the vaccines, any of them, DO NOT prevent infection or transmission. You can still get Covid and its variants and spread it to others. The only thing they do, and not in all cases, is reduce the risk of severe illness and complications which might require hospitalization or result in long-term problems or death.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I saw today on the news that nearly 99% of United Airlines employees are vaccinated for Covid. Now we are getting somewhere. The airline is mandating vaccines for their employees. It can be done!

Just the tip of the COMING furure iceberg!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

So? They still can get Covid and shed it, more specifically the variant which they have limited immunity against. So that's what drives the infection rate higher. Only one strain is being shed by those vaccinated driving up the infection rate for all. Not the unvaccinated who can get and shed both strains of the virus which actually weakens it and reduces transmission.

So, the content is sssooo bogus, sssooo much propaganda by Facebook, Instagram, and the 8 PM TV show on the small, red, wild-dog channel. ( and 10 PM and 11 PM for good (bad) measure)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Are you saying it is the vaccinated whot are driving this pandemic at this point, not the un-vaccinated? If this were the case, why then are we all being encouraged by the experts to get vaccinated?

Do you have a link that verifies what you have said? I would like to read about it and not just take your word for it. Seems very counter productive for the big push for everyone to be vaccinated.

And why are 99% of CV deaths in hospitals the UNVACCINATED? That is IMPOSSIBLE to logically contradict - go ahead and try. But, numbers DON'T LIE! And read a normal newspaper and get one's head out of Facebook and Instagram. One can also wonder why Congress has pulled Facebook before it for about the 3rd or 4th time recently. Maybe the Federal Government should "UNFRIEND" the ENTIRE company and give Mr. Zuck the..........tickets to Russia where dictators love to suck BLOOD from the unwary public.