[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Swoop

As of today I know 17 people who have had Covid. 16 have fully recovered without any issues the 17th was just diagnosed. None have required hospitalization. Four would never even known that they had it. The only reason they found out was they were tested before traveling. According to the CDC 94% of Covid coded deaths had multiple comorbidities, with the average having 2.6. Among the common comorbidities were obesity, cancer & lung disease. If you are healthy the chances of you dying from Covid are extremely low .

If you are healthy the chances of you dying from Covid-19 are lower with the highest being those over 65. If you are over 75, healthy or not your chances of dying from it are one in ten.


I know six people personally who have had Covid. Three are fully recovered, two after being hospitalized, one in intensive care.

The other three have died from Covid 19. Two were over 75 and one was 69 and appeared healthy. I saw him riding his bike a lot.

[graciegirl]

The CDC announced just a short time ago that fully vaccinated people could gather together, indoors, without masks and without social distancing.

Wonder when we can safely hug?

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

It seems like way too many threads are full of opinions one way or the other. Nothing anyone says is going to convince some to go against what their desire is. Attempting to convince someone to follow your lead just causes resentment and confusion.

Vaxxers tell anti-vaxxers that the vaccine is the best preventative measure against contracting Covid-19.

Anti-vaxxers say you're allowing a ticking timebomb to be placed in your system that someday may kill you.

Folks, make up your own mind. Do your own research. You're all smart folks.

And, one way or the other, I'm not incredibly worried about an event that may or may happen, whether it is next month or 30 years from now.....

My views are well known. I wasn't that surprised that so many had closed minds but what did catch me off guard was the vileness of the comments and the hatred directed toward me and my family just because I stated an opinion contrary to theirs. This forum doesn't allow for severe personal attacks but I have had Letters to the Editor of local papers published & other online forums and the attacks were just plain mean & evil. People have gone so far as to wish me “homeless at Christmas”, "my house burn down", that my children “die of stomach cancer” and more. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Trump” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

It seems when someone is unable to articulate a reasonable alternate counterpoint, they resort to name calling & insults. Whatever happened to having a civil discussion where one might say, "I understand what you are saying but I disagree and this is why."?

They remind me of radical followers of a religion. Death to the infidel who dares speak blasphemy!

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

My views are well known. I wasn't that surprised that so many had closed minds but what did catch me off guard was the vileness of the comments and the hatred directed toward me and my family just because I stated an opinion contrary to theirs. This forum doesn't allow for severe personal attacks but I have had Letters to the Editor of local papers published & other online forums and the attacks were just plain mean & evil. People have gone so far as to wish me “homeless at Christmas”, "my house burn down", that my children “die of stomach cancer” and more. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Trump” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

It seems when someone is unable to articulate a reasonable alternate counterpoint, they resort to name calling & insults. Whatever happened to having a civil discussion where one might say, "I understand what you are saying but I disagree and this is why."?

They remind me of radical followers of a religion. Death to the infidel who dares speak blasphemy!

What you’re hearing, in my opinion, is fear. People are afraid of the consequences of Covid. It comes out as hate.

Even a mouse will fight if cornered.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

If you are healthy the chances of you dying from Covid-19 are lower with the highest being those over 65. If you are over 75, healthy or not your chances of dying from it are one in ten.


I know six people personally who have had Covid. Three are fully recovered, two after being hospitalized, one in intensive care.

The other three have died from Covid 19. Two were over 75 and one was 69 and appeared healthy. I saw him riding his bike a lot.

The fact is that a higher percentage of people over 75 have preexisting conditions. Couple that with a less robust immune system and it makes that segment of the population more vulnerable. However the odds of a 75 year old without preexisting conditions surviving Covid are a lot better than a 75 year old with multiple preexisting conditions. It’s not “If you are over 75, healthy or not your chances of dying from it are one in ten.”

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Velvet

What you’re hearing, in my opinion, is fear. People are afraid of the consequences of Covid. It comes out as hate.

Even a mouse will fight if cornered.

I think that is very close to the real truth and I just read that many people are extremely frightened of injections. When Helene had so many medical procedures when she was tiny, we had to do everything we could to make her not rail against the doctors and nurses for blood draws and we did.

I understand that kind of fear. I don't hate people who don't see the reason for shots and masks. I feel very sad for them.

I just found this, not anything to do with your post velvet, but a recent count of cases and deaths from many countries of the world. From Johns Hopkins, a very reliable source.
Map: Track coronavirus deaths around the world

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

As of today I know 17 people who have had Covid. 16 have fully recovered without any issues the 17th was just diagnosed. None have required hospitalization. Four would never even known that they had it. The only reason they found out was they were tested before traveling. According to the CDC 94% of Covid coded deaths had multiple comorbidities, with the average having 2.6. Among the common comorbidities were obesity, cancer & lung disease. If you are healthy the chances of you dying from Covid are extremely low.

I could agree that there is a low risk of DYING from CV. But, when you add in the factors of "long haul CV symptoms and the numbers of people that have NEAR death experiences in hospitals ( and large hospital bills), you get to a seriously high-risk factor. You could die from CV in 2 weeks' time. Obesity and cancer can take much longer. Cancer is MUCH harder to prevent than CV - there are no simple, specific ways to avoid cancer like to avoid CV - just vaccinations, masks, avoid indoors, and distancing. 80% of CV deaths are to people over 65, most of who are technically and medically obese. So, when someone dies that is BOTH obese and has CV, the cause of death HAS to be listed as CV because they could have lived for MANY years just being obese. It is NOT some grand statistical conspiracy that their death is listed as because of CV.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I could agree that there is a low risk of DYING from CV. But, when you add in the factors of "long haul CV symptoms and the numbers of people that have NEAR death experiences in hospitals ( and large hospital bills), you get to a seriously high-risk factor. You could die from CV in 2 weeks' time. Obesity and cancer can take much longer. Cancer is MUCH harder to prevent than CV - there are no simple, specific ways to avoid cancer like to avoid CV - just vaccinations, masks, avoid indoors, and distancing. 80% of CV deaths are to people over 65, most of who are technically and medically obese. So, when someone dies that is BOTH obese and has CV, the cause of death HAS to be listed as CV because they could have lived for MANY years just being obese. It is NOT some grand statistical conspiracy that their death is listed as because of CV.

We seem to agree. If you are obese, if you’re battling cancer or if you lungs are compromised you are in a much higher Covid risk category. If you don’t have preexisting conditions, the chances of you dying from Covid are extremely low. No conspiracy, just facts...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Swoop

We seem to agree. If you are obese, if you’re battling cancer or if you lungs are compromised you are in a much higher Covid risk category. If you don’t have preexisting conditions, the chances of you dying from Covid are extremely low. No conspiracy, just facts...

You're missing the point.

If you don't have pre-existing conditions, there is still an elevated risk of permanent lung and/or heart damage if you get COVID and SURVIVE it.

[Boffin]

People who think vaccination changes their DNA should look at this as an opportunity.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You're missing the point.

If you don't have pre-existing conditions, there is still an elevated risk of permanent lung and/or heart damage if you get COVID and SURVIVE it.

How much of an "elevated" risk?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You're missing the point.

If you don't have pre-existing conditions, there is still an elevated risk of permanent lung and/or heart damage if you get COVID and SURVIVE it.

According to the WHO:
“Risk factors for persistence of symptoms: high blood pressure, obesity, mental health conditions”
Not healthy people...

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

My views are well known. I wasn't that surprised that so many had closed minds but what did catch me off guard was the vileness of the comments and the hatred directed toward me and my family just because I stated an opinion contrary to theirs. This forum doesn't allow for severe personal attacks but I have had Letters to the Editor of local papers published & other online forums and the attacks were just plain mean & evil. People have gone so far as to wish me “homeless at Christmas”, "my house burn down", that my children “die of stomach cancer” and more. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Trump” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

It seems when someone is unable to articulate a reasonable alternate counterpoint, they resort to name calling & insults. Whatever happened to having a civil discussion where one might say, "I understand what you are saying but I disagree and this is why."?

They remind me of radical followers of a religion. Death to the infidel who dares speak blasphemy!

Your positions on the pandemic are the antithesis of public health and I strongly disagree with them. Still, it is ridiculous that people resort to the kind of distasteful comments that you have experienced.

[Love2Swim]

To me it seems morally reprehensible to not get the vaccine, and be a person who endangers the health of others, which is what happens when people don't get vaccinated, and become asymptomatic carriers. Unless one has a valid excuse - for example too frail to deal with any side effects of the shot, or allergic, pregnant, etc., I don't see any excuse for not getting vaccinated. Looking at the practical side, one's actions may be limited in the future without having a vaccination card - travel to certain countries may be curtailed, ability to participate in certain group activities. In the future, it may be required for children to attend school, similiar to other vaccines like polio.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

Not to vaccinate is a selfish act

What is of most value to all of us? The answer is simple, our health. I refuse to be vaccinated with some sort of insufficiently tested substance, which, from what I hear, will never leave your body, and could, at some time in the future, be detrimental to our health. Should I contract Covid, I will most likely survive with no after effects. I do not trust our government, or others who are in some position of power, because many times they have their own agenda which is their first priority. I may, however, get the vaccination at some time in the future. If this is what you call being selfish, then, to me, getting the vaccine now is somewhat less than intelligent, and that is said diplomatically.