Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1924100)

Requiring people to have an "experimental" vaccine that has caused thousands to get sick and dozens to die is irresponsible and unconstitutional. All this for a virus with over a 99% survival rate.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1924104)

My personal thoughts on this (up until now I have been arguing a point, not offering my feelings about it):

When we get vaccinated, we get a card. This is the current situation. I wish the card was smaller, business-card sized so it could be laminated if someone wanted to do so, and kept in a wallet without folding it.

I would be FINE with having to present it for travel over the north or south border by car, or anywhere by boat or airplane. I would also be FINE with people being told they cannot board the ship/plane without a match of that card to their ID.

I would ALSO be FINE with a stamp added to actual normal passports, to show that a person has received that (or any other) vaccine, so that no one would need that smaller card as long as they bring their passport - which also serves as identification, AND as - well - a passport.

I would be fine with any business having a policy: You may either enter and shop here wearing a mask, OR you may enter and shop here without one if you show us your card proving you were vaccinated. You may do either one.

I personally would love to go shopping without a mask on. I look forward to the day when it's considered acceptable to do it again. But I also enjoy the freedom I feel in knowing that I am immunized against the virus. As someone who is now free to enjoy my immunization, I have absolutely positively zero problem with showing anyone who wants to see it, that card. In fact I posted it on my facebook account, which is open to the public.

I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with showing their covid vaccine card. You can even cover up the ID number with a little post-it strip so they can see your name and the clinic's official stamp and the dates of whichever vaccine you had, but not your personally-identifying ID number.

It's really not a big deal, except to people who are choosing to make it one.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1924104)

My personal thoughts on this (up until now I have been arguing a point, not offering my feelings about it):


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I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with showing their covid vaccine card. You can even cover up the ID number with a little post-it strip so they can see your name and the clinic's official stamp and the dates of whichever vaccine you had, but not your personally-identifying ID number.

It's really not a big deal, except to people who are choosing to make it one.

Originally Posted by Vikingjunior (Post 1923594)

Walmart, Publix, Panera etc. can't even enforce their mask requirements, do you really think these businesses are going to check everybody's papers. Vaccine Passports are a pipe dream, it's never going to happen move on.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923564)

naw, you are missing the point. Covid, a worldwide pandemic, has killed more people in 12 months than HPV, Flu, Shingles, etc has in 50 years.

And many countries will require it anyway - plus airlines, cruiseships, etc...

Reality is, I'm a fan of the Governor, but this policy - having the vaccine and the passport - is the fastest way to get the world on track

Originally Posted by lpkruege1 (Post 1924135)

I can't believe that we would put something so racist into existence. Your poorer communities may not have the funds for the vaccine and now you want them to carry a card for travel, to be employed, to go to the grocery store, or possibly community events? Isn't that the argument people use for against an ID to vote? or Maybe we should put a picture on it, a state stamp, a magnetic code and use it as your ID to vote too. Just saying.

Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 1924088)

From the Medical Journals I've read - At this stage it is stated that the vaccine doesn't protect one from getting COVID, it is effective in preventing vaccinated individuals dying from it. How much or how long a person vaccinated or one recovering from Covid is protected long term is still unknown. (I'm a retired MD)

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1924083)

Actually, it was your question to answer. And now we see that you mean "they should be free to choose (well, except when there are exceptions, that is)".

See, the problem you have is that you want to paint DeSantis with this broad brush, claiming he's being anti-conservative somehow. But he doesn't see this as a "freedom to choose for businesses" issue. He sees it as a governmental intrusion issue on the people. DeSantis was elected by the people of Florida, not the private businesses of Florida. He's saying the people have the right to choose, unencumbered by other concerns.

You're free to disagree with his point of view, of course. But it's a little odd that not requiring his state's residents to have to show a vaccination passport is somehow anti-conservative. Well, that is unless you buy into the notion that conservative folks only care about businesses and not individuals.

Side note: your note to the mods to retire this thread because people aren't getting it is due to the way you wrote part of the post:



What proposal? Having a vaccine passport? Yes, we know now you actually meant DeSantis's "proposal" to prohibit requiring a vaccine passport in the state. You've had to clarify what you meant more than once, when simply editing the original post could have sufficed.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1924122)

That sounds a lot like, "if you have nothing to hide then you won't mind allowing the police to search your house." No, it's not the same level of intrusion but it is still an intrusion.

My personal opinion is I've seen enough and experienced enough that I value my freedom and my privacy; I want to protect mine and protect others as well. What frightens me is the argument that I should be willing to give up my freedom and privacy because someone else is willing to give up theirs.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1924120)

The concept you are trying to spin is truly absurd.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924171)

Hi Swoop, and thanks for weighing in with your unique perspective!

I am not spinning any concept at all. Where have I expressed my opinion on the pros and cons of banning or allowing a vaccine passport? In fact in a follow up to my original post I emphasized that the point of the thread is not the pros and cons of a vaccine passport. It's about conservative/liberal values, overlap of those values, and the need to work together.

But I forgive your insulting comment that my writing is absurd. I realize you misunderstood. Bless your heart.

Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1924193)

Let each business make their own requirements. If you enter a business that requires a immunization passport and you don't care for that, then you can go elsewhere. Vice Versa as well. Each business and individual can make their own decision and suffer the consequences.