I have no idea. I am just saying that we need an unimpeachable method of registering votes, so that there will be no question as to who wins, and no accusations. I see no valid argument against voter ID to prove citizenship. Think of all the money that would be saved if we had a certified picture form of voter registration that proved citizenship. AND NO ballots should be sent out unsolicited. And absentee ballots for those that find it impossible to vote in person, should be witnessed and certified by a gov official. An election is one of the most important occasion in anyone's life.

I don't know about anyone else but I DID sign digitally using a cotton swab, here in the Villages during early voting.

Has anyone noticed that the 9 states that vote exclusively by mail, no problem, hmmmm!
Lake co., fla, counted ballots when received, no problem, only the result, but that is democracy, I can live with that result, especially now.

Some lose with grace and some do not. Some win with grace and some do not. As far as the “election ballot process”, that process is given to the States and the States to their counties. That’s the way it works and that is one of the reasons attempted “fraud” is rare and and in a National presidential election one election after another the process has its checks and balances at the local level and the process works. This is how a democracy works.

If voter fraud is proven, people need to go to jail regardless of party or position. That goes for all the crooks in DC.

Good post. in the recent election, There were more than 150,000 ballots (and that may go up to 300,00) blocked (on purpose?) in Post Office facilities and NOT delivered by election day and therefore considered INVALID. Many were suspiciously found in battleground states. This should have been predicted and prevented when PO delivery statistics and procedures were changed in months leading up to Nov. 3rd. Where were the crack FBI investigators who are charged with preventing this type of crime? Where is the public outrage? Where are the criminal charges for leadership in the PO? A charge of TREASON would be fitting.

Interesting, if true. However, how do you explain Florida? Doesn't fit your premise does it? Florida had no problem getting their count done expeditiously.

it's determined by their legislators....but regarding partisan observers it appears all state do allow it and 41 states require certification of those observers

Partisan Observers. Commonly known as poll watchers, these party people are deployed to do two things: report to their party headquarters about who has voted and who still needs a “nudge” to vote, and watch for any missteps in election processes. They’ve been in use for at least 100 years as a way to promote election integrity, with the idea that if both parties are watching, it’s much harder for either to tamper with the votes. Virtually all states govern how many watchers a party can send to each polling place, and at least 41 states have some kind of accreditation process for them.

Unfortunately, it won't be over for years. A house divided can not stand!

National Rules should be for All National Elections.
 

National Rules for All National Elections.
Not State Rules that can all be different.
Make it easy to go and vote, count as entered into machine,
No mater where the machine is located.
If a Voter goes to a machine to vote, they should first should ID to that machine before Ballot appears.
Place them in Secure areas in, maybe banking locations.
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20 states do not require any form of ID to vote.

Florida law allows for counting well before Election Day.

Discussions are not getting that each state has different laws and regulations for the counting of votes

In addition, Florida actually sped up the counting, by law, because of COVID

then you'll need a constitutional amendment.

The Constitution grants the states the power to set voting requirements

Too many conspiracy theories can have a devastating effect on a person's mind. The older we get the harder it is to differentiate between truth and propaganda. Good luck!

Good solid and factual post. Kudos.

There is ALWAYS some form of voter fraud. I can remember just a few years ago where a guy in one of the Southern states voted three times and was arrested when found out. In states that do not require any form of ID to vote, there is always someone that is found to be voting for his/her parents or another relative. I am still registered in another state after being here for ten years. My father is still registered in another state and he has been deceased for a decade. That state does not require any form of identification. You just tell them your name and address and they look it up on the computer to prove that a person with that name and address is registered.
For those that say that investigations have been completed with no evidence of voter fraud, that is not correct. However, many states have refused access to officials coming from outside of the state to perform an investigation for voter fraud. If one cannot investigate, it is very difficult to prove an accusation. It is also hard to prove voter fraud without voter ID. It is also interesting when bags of ballots disappear or suddenly appear in a trunk of a car. Apparently, it is only one side of that feels that there is no voter fraud. This argument has been rehashed over and over again after every election. Last time it was the "Russians are coming" where they were accused of fixing the election for one candidate. Another accusation was of interfering with the election. One party believes in BIG conspiracies involving espionage with voter suppression and the other party believes simply in voter fraud.
The party that does not believe in voter fraud, also does not believe in requiring ID. Their excuse is racist. They insist that minorities are too inept to obtain a photo ID and are disenfranchised.

Florida counted 43 million votes on election night
Why didn’t all the states do it?
Elections with out transparency and poll watchers are fraudulent

Mail in ballots were put out for voting fraud and that’s what we got everyone knew it
Trump warmed about it for months

Now we have an election determined by party operatives counting votes behind closed doors with no poll watchers no cameras no transparency

Jospeh Stalin said elections are meaningless it’s the people that count the votes that decide election -

We need a total revote of the election with voter ID, poll watchers , cameras etc
Full transparency everyone should be for free and open elections!
Without games being played

Revote on a Saturday polls open 24 hours fully staffed it can be done!

I volunteered as a poll watcher this election at the Lady Lake Library. I did not see evidence of any voter fraud or attempts at voter fraud. In addition, I saw that the poll workers were professional and helpful in their interactions with voters. I found especially that the clerks (location supervisor) were especially inclined to help voters resolve problems and cast legal ballots. I left my volunteer service optimistic about the future of our country.

I also was a poll volunteer , equal dem and repub workers and watchers. Also security cameras everywhere. Any slight question about a ballot both supervisors were called over. I also gave permission for background check to be a volunteer. .

in 2016 Wisconsin was won by only 22,745 votes: Michigan was won by only 10, 704 votes; PA by 44,292 (if current %s hold up Biden should exceed that)

the ONLY talk of voter fraud was by the winners who claimed there must be fraud because of their failure to win the popular vote. many, many people voted by mail, but the only fraud talk associated with it was regarding the popular vote not being in the winner's favor. in fact, a commission was appointed to much fan fare, then more more quietly disbanded when no evidence could be found.



the loser did not demand recounts, did not suggest fraud, and accepted the results after I'm sure considering all options.

so one wonders why fraud is such a topic of discussion this year

Early voting in Florida started October 19 and were counted at that time . There were also 3 million mail in votes. They did not wait until election night to count the ballots. Due to a large population of senior citizens they had a significant number of volunteers.

One more time...

Florida LAW says they start to count the mail in votes well before Election Day.

Pennsylvania LAW says they cannot, BY LAW, touch mail in votes until all others are counted.

STATES run elections...their legislature makes the rules, and most are run by Republicans...Pa., Michigan, etc.

Early voting in Florida started October 19 and were counted at that time . There were also 3 million mail in votes. They did not wait until election night to count the ballots. Due to a large population of senior citizens they had a significant number of volunteers.

all european king's marriages were political arrangements. Passion had nothing to do with it
henry viii was a serial killer

":eek:" NOW you want Peace? :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Hear ye, hear ye. Here comes the judges, here come the judges
 

He SO BEING SO SURE OF YOUR POSITION I TAKE IT THAT YOU WILL EXPRESS NO OPPOSITION OR RESISTANCE TO THE SUPREME COURT MAKING THE FINAL DECISION REGARDING WHAT YOUR SO
SURE OF?
SESSION OVER

Will not make it to Supreme Court.

You must have solid evidence in any court.

Court system is not a political operation, and talking loudly and wildly with no factual back up gets cases thrown out early.

2000 election with "hanging chad" etc, the real actual closeness of the tallies had to go that high.

This election, the tallies were late (pandemic = lots of mail in) but final results are not that close, Georgia may be exception.

Vote Counting Software glitch has been found in one county in MI....

your honors, the poster has not answered the question
i repeat
will you accept the supreme court decision if any in this matter?
Yes
or
no??

No state counts all their votes in one day. I've been watching very closely the percentages of votes that have been counted in all the states. Many states have taken at least until today to complete their vote counts. Most are at between 95% to 99% counted. NONE were completed in one day. Today is three days after election day and there are several states still counting their votes.

The states that are projected winners for one candidate ("called") on election night are those states that the races are not close at all. Easy to call it when there is a huge percentage difference for one candidate.

You must be a registered voter to receive a mail in ballot. When you register, you submit ID and a signature. Isn't that what is required of a mail in ballot? I don't think mail in ballots are mailed to anyone who is not a registered voter. No?

Seriously, that is ludicrous. Ballots received from early voting and mail in ballots should be counted as soon as they are received. I surely wish that ballot counting process would be adopted by all states by our next general election.

exactly "Crying and Accusing" instead of taking responsibility , getting an education , going to work and building a future for yourself and family.

Counting votes slowly and accurately isn't fraud. By the way, Colorado is allowed to start counting their votes weeks ahead of election day; that's why they get it done more quickly.

If one is serious about cleaning up the voting process start with gerrymandering. Voter fraud doesn't hold a candle to this rigged concoction.

What about when you register to vote? Did you have to produce photo ID along with your signature at that time ?

Can you please post the full story so we can understand the context?

That's what I've been telling my family.

We often attend club lectures. Many years ago we went to one about diminished numbers of centrist voters and a rise in the number of people on the left and people on the right.
Of course the subject of dead people voting came up. At our table was me on the right and another guy on the left. We were both amused that we both were sure the dead voters voted on the other side. I'm certain that dead people vote. I hope there are enough on each side to cancel each other.

This thread has turned political. I'm sure that's no surprise given the topic.

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