Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1856554)

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1856576)

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...even tho I was a strong supporter of one candidate, I simply cannot believe that some states can inhibit independent Poll "Watchers" to monitor the vote counting. We all know that each state has its own laws re elections - many can easily be subject to "cheating and fraud". In this country, one would think/hope/believe that we would have an honest vote counting and reporting. Some evidence indicates this may not be the case, especially in some states. Certainly hope that all this can be worked out, even in courts if needed.

Hopefully this won't be a terribly extended final result resolution.

In the end my attitude is "It Is What It Is". Life is too short, and not worth it to harbor excessive hate or worry.

I plan to put out my American flag - either way. We must be strong.
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Originally Posted by FromNY (Post 1856924)

Here lies the problem:
EACH state has their own laws for voting! If we are UNITED States laws should be the same at least for National Elections. We are in a modern age why not transcend to digital voting centers . 14 days of voting. One day of catch up known as election day. All votes in and counted before that day? Mail in drop off still can happen but with an enhanced service of time management. Time to push for change. 4 years is not that far away. Blessings for America!

Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1856931)

20 years from now middle class will be gone. God will be removed from America. We don't have to worry about it, we'll be dead. Our children and grandchildren will not get to live the life we did.

Originally Posted by jnafix (Post 1856653)

And all Americans citizens do... When have YOU or anyone that YOU know have ever voted without proper ID ? :ohdear:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1856561)

People should have to submit proof of identity in order to vote.

Originally Posted by jjp2532 (Post 1856935)

Live in IL, never have I been required to show ID to vote on any level.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1856601)

There is a huge difference between significant voter fraud (which has never been found, anywhere or anytime) and it just taking so long to count the unprecedented number of mailed-in ballots, due to the fear of catching Covid standing in a massive line. Every ballot cast in accordance with the appropriate state law(s) should be counted, regardless of how long it takes. That is the very foundation of a Constitutional Federal Republic. A lot of people also forget, that election laws are a state right and they vary from state to state. Here's a good link that shows those different laws.

VOPP: Table 11: Receipt and Postmark Deadlines for Absentee Ballots

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1856731)

What about when you show up without an ID and you use a provisional ballot? How can they create a specialized bar code for provisional ballots? Also, validating a ballot by comparing two signatures seems to me to be a very subjective and inaccurate method.

Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1856702)

I believe there is both voting fraud and vote counting fraud.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1856610)

He's talking about mail-in voting, which requires you to not even be physically capable of presenting your ID to anyone. But it does require that your signature be on file (usually via your Florida drivers' license, which is now also a valid Federal ID, or in person registration to vote), so that the signatures can be matched when you sign the back of the envelope before mailing it in.

Considering that mail-in voting, *regardless of the reason for the mail-in, whether absentee or not* has existed since the Civil War, and considering that mail fraud has been negligible since, and considering that even when it IS discovered, it invalidates the fraudulent votes - thus making the actual votes valid and countable..

considering all that, mail-in ballots is not, nor has it ever been, a concern in this country.

In person voting HAS been a problem, particularly in Georgia and Florida, when a certain party did some certain things creating certain problems, and the subsequent attempts at covering it up were exposed.

So if it were me, I'd be more concerned about a certain party's attempts to subvert and corrupt the voting process at the polling places, and less concerned about mail-in voting.

I'm not all that concerned about either. The person I didn't want, took the Florida election fair and square. I don't like it, but I accept it. Hopefully, the people on that side will have the same attitude if their person doesn't win the final national result. Somehow though, considering THEIR history - I don't have much faith in that.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1856578)

If you are a U.S. citizen, you should be required to prove it with a national ID card issued by the Federal Government. Without that, we will continue to have voter fraud and other fraud related to citizenship benefits.

Originally Posted by jnafix (Post 1856653)

And all Americans citizens do... When have YOU or anyone that YOU know have ever voted without proper ID ? :ohdear:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1856867)

If anyone question fraud I ask them answer a simple question CO is 100% mail in and drop off.....zero votes in person. If they can count their ballots on Nov 3rd. Why are the battleground state stuck....why are ballots just popping up everywhere? CA, TX, FL, NY the highest populated states can count in one day in fact CA ...CALL IT WITHIN ONE HOUR. I don’t care what side you are on if you can see the fraud then you are be willfully blind

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1856965)

vote counting fraud? there are both parties on hand to observe. there are cameras everywhere!

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1856601)

There is a huge difference between significant voter fraud (which has never been found, anywhere or anytime) and it just taking so long to count the unprecedented number of mailed-in ballots, due to the fear of catching Covid standing in a massive line. Every ballot cast in accordance with the appropriate state law(s) should be counted, regardless of how long it takes. That is the very foundation of a Constitutional Federal Republic. A lot of people also forget, that election laws are a state right and they vary from state to state. Here's a good link that shows those different laws.

VOPP: Table 11: Receipt and Postmark Deadlines for Absentee Ballots

Originally Posted by jnafix (Post 1856653)

And all Americans citizens do... When have YOU or anyone that YOU know have ever voted without proper ID ? :ohdear:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1856965)

vote counting fraud? there are both parties on hand to observe. there are cameras everywhere!

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1856980)

Was easy in California, Washington, and Oregon. Republican is as rare as ivory billed woodpecker.

Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1856987)

No both parties were NOT allowed to observe. At many of the vote counting facilities the other party was not allowed to come into the room to observe. At some they were not even allowed to come into the building! Some covered up the windows so others were not allowed to observe what was going on. To "observe" you need to be right there to actually see the votes counted and tabulated.
The decision to allow late mail-in votes as long as they were postmarked by Nov 3rd was another fraud. ANYONE with a postage machine can put any date they want on the mail. A party could have 100,000 fraud votes ready to go for any swing state and dump them late as needed and this happened.
Look on U-Tube and see the real time voting graph where one party was ahead in Wisconsin and then at 3 am a very unusual straight up line on the graph put the other party ahead.

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1856748)

Voter suppression and racist. The two most overused words from mainstream media.

With all those ivy league talking heads espousing their opinions, could not they think of something any more original?

Guess not.

Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1856663)

Someday we will be smart enough to get rid of the Electoral College. After doing so, voter fraud, if there is any would not be an issue when one candidate registers 4,000,000 votes more than the other. Electoral College does not reflect the will of the people.

Originally Posted by Going My Way (Post 1856691)

Or how about a candidate that wins 90% of the counties in a State but still loses that State... :popcorn:

Originally Posted by Bill1701 (Post 1856967)

We have 51 different elections, all run by different rules and regulations.

Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1856702)

I believe there is both voting fraud and vote counting fraud.

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1856554)

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1856554)

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.