He’s not that old — just 58.

His comorbities: obese, high cholesterol

Who knows where the President contracted Covid from. If nothing else it proves if he can get it anyone can. Everyone of those people in the Rose Garden had to test negative before they were admitted. Everyone that enters or gets near the President has to test negative. So what does this tell us. Is this telling us testing is ineffective? I keep reading in these posts that science is never wrong. That is incorrect. Scientific theories that came out years ago can and often are disproved today. Remember this virus started less than a year ago. The science is still evolving on this. I suspect a year or two years from now much of what has been taken as gospel today will change. So what are our choices. We can hide in our homes and never leave or we can go about our lives as normally as possible and take as many precautions as we can. The one thing that is a fact is that this is a virus. You cannot hide from it no more than you can from a common cold or the flu. So it comes down to personal choice and you have to make that decision. So if you choose to go out, wear your mask, wash your hands, use hand sanitizers but remember there is always a risk as is much of life.

Yes, he is obese and has asthma, but he's only 58 years old...that's not old, at least compared to us old codgers here in TV. :icon_wink:

thanks for posting this

Thank you. A voice of reason. The media is to blame for much of this. Scientists cannot agree on anything as can’t the physicians.

While the President may well survive the initial disease, there is no guarantee that he won't have to suffer its long term, ongoing residual debilitating effects.

wrong. he is 74

respectfully disagree

You refuse to understand.
 

The COVID19 virus does not float alone in the air. It is in tiny droplets of water that can be trapped in a mask. Of course you can find article on the internet that say anything, but you have to consider the source. I trust the Mayo Clinic, do you? COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer? - Mayo Clinic

Mask + HEPA Filter
 

Cult members heedlessly follow their leaders often against their better judgement. Don't follow the "herd mentality." Think for yourself. If you don't feel safe without a mask, don't be intimidated by the deniers. I agree that a cloth mask alone reduces one's chances of contracting the virus somewhat, but why not make it safer by inserting a HEPA filter between the layers? I purchased a vacuum cleaner bag with HEPA filter and cut it to fit the insert in my mask. It didn't affect breathability at all. Even though I know I'm not totally safe from the virus, I feel that I have done everything I can do to keep myself as safe as possible without completely isolating myself.

This post jumps from one illogical and incorrect premise to another. Scientists are not all respected or listened to equally. No. I take that back. Some people do listen to anyone who has Dr. in front of their name, like many listened to Drew Pinsky early on.

First to define the problem. The problem for most of us is what we do in the face of a previously unknown virus that has the potential to kill people and has done so in unprecedented numbers in many countries of the world??? Many people have used denial and bravado and sadly even religion to deal with the problem..........and then the rest of us feel pity and rush to correct their inaccurate assessments.

Some choose to listen to the best scientists they can find from large and respected institutions in this country who have previously given good advice we have counted on...........but the trouble we have had with that is that it was too new for even those scientists to assess accurately.

Some think a strong leader issueing strong rules could have made the mortality less.

Some think a pastor with the right scripture will save our lives.

Some think that we are all the victim of one hoax after another and only sissies and dumbasses wear masks and use social distancing.

There are many, many, many, many people who vote Republican and Democrat who think this is a huge frightening issue that is extremely dangerous and they are doing what they can to protect themselves and people that they love and even in some instances people they don't care about at all.

This is a world issue. Right now as I type, there is a person in Belgium and one in Denmark who are choking to death as mucous clogs the small tubes in their lungs. They are dying without the people they love. They cannot even speak their goodbyes.
This virus doesn't care. Thousands and thousands are leaving this earth that way, but many do survive. Yes. Many do survive.

Does this sound like an independant thinker whose decisions will be based on science, etc?

I think not
 

However, the Molecule is contained in droplets of sputum which IS blocked by the mask.

I couldn’t agree with you more! I hope the fools who refused to listen to science will come to their senses and pay attention to what they say. Trump should be living proof of what happens when you ignore and poo poo off the experts.

The takeaway: If you flout the virus, the virus will smite you.

Maybe that’s why doctors “practice” medicine!!!!

The disappointing news regarding the vaccine being so highly touted came from Dr. Fauci several weeks ago. He said that if the first version of the vaccine was as much as 50% effective (efficacy of 50%), that “I’d be thrilled.” He went on to explain that it takes several years of tweaking and retesting to get a vaccine to a high rate of efficacy. He used the measles vaccine, currently with an efficacy in the 97-98% range as an example. It took more than a decade to get that vaccine to that level of effectiveness.

COVID-19 is going to change our lives for a long time to come.

White House staffing needs to be evaluated
 

To me, the White House outbreak teaches two things. First, that the infectious disease doctors are right about what they warned about this virus. They said that it’s not just going to go away, it isn’t seasonal and we must continue wearing masks and distancing. Also, being outdoors doesn’t necessarily stop the spread.


Secondly, The White House employs a special events staff and a medical staff, and they bear some responsibility for letting this happen at the Rose Garden.

I mean, no one said, “Having all of these people sitting right next to each other, no masks, isn’t safe.” Plus there was close mingling after the ceremony.

And of course, the President has a dedicated physician whose job it is to keep him safe and monitor his health. Trump needed better guidance in avoiding the virus, especially with his risk factors of age and excess weight.

after reflecting upon all the posts on this thread "What does Covid-19 in the White House teach us?"

for me it reinforces that we don't know what we don't know...

so I'm going to behave like I'm 'from Missouri' for quite awhile longer...and play it safe

things that we wanted to do will continue to be on hold (disappointing), but, we're adapting and finding alternate approaches to do many things that bring us joy

Covid-19 may have "moved the cheese", but life goes on

Chris Christie is approx 60 years old hardly aged. He had lap band surgery but it’s slow going !
Why write these things

It is highly survivable IF you're healthy. If you're fat, have high blood pressure, diabetes, heart condition, on chemo, etc you're susceptible. Also remember you could be asymptomatic and it not only affects you but the people you with, work with, hang out with.

As we are seeing from the events of the past week anyone can get it, anyone can spread it. If you're not wearing a face covering in public I hope you're healthy and 100% positive that you're negative.

Remember our president said no mask for me too.

what is so difficult to understand that as more was discovered about the virus, recommendations changed. it was a NOVEL virus, the knowledge evolved but it was based on science. and, more importantly, he admitted it was wrong, but he has always tried to make recommendations on the known science at the time.

now, it was said it would magically go away at Easter, then when the heat of summer came, etc, etc. none of it based on science but some people ignore that.

There is also no guarantee that he WILL suffer from long term, ongoing residiual debilitating effects. Odds are that he won't.

I feel so bad for Amy Coney Barrett who was asked to remove her mask before entering the Rose Garden last week. Who among us would have had to courage to not do that?

Now many people in that gathering are testing positive. I hope Counselor Barrett does not get Covid.

Ohiobuckeye
 

This is just my opinion but I personally think staying 6 ft. or more away from someone is more important that wearing a mask but I do both. I also think President Trump isn’t the best shape but Mrs. Trump is in GREAT shape! I also think there’s nothing wrong with fist bumps & elbow bumps. But grasping someone’s hand, well you might as well kiss them. This Covid thing can’t last forever so do what they’re telling us to do & stay healthy!

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To the OP - could not agree more. When I viewed the Rose Garden video, appalling. Yes, no doubt the WH had relaxed some COVID rules recently. From what I read, it is possible to be infected and very early-on not show any significant symptoms and perhaps not show positive on the test. So, apparently someone on the POTUS staff was in this position and infected him.

...and perhaps so many others at the Rose Garden ceremony. There could be more showing COVID signs the next couple days. Imagine if the VP is infected, and the Supreme Court nominee...

BTW as for POTUS "not in great shape", before COVID, his daily medicine was one baby aspirin. period. Apparently from all accounts he is in very good shape (other then his "shape"...) for a 74 year old man... good genes. He seldom ever gets sick, even a cold or flu. And is an EXTREMELY hard working guy. Contrary to some news reports...

But the apparent "relaxed" COVID protection, esp at that RG gathering was SO WRONG. And they now have a price to pay. too bad, but an excellent reminder to us all. We still practice everyday life, but careful re social distance, mask wearing, and all the other recommendations.
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She had it during the Summer of 2020.

Amy Coney Barrett - Wikipedia

According to reports, she already had Covid-19 earlier in the summer.

Amy Coney Barrett Had COVID-19 in Recent Months, Friends of Supreme Court Pick Say | Time

What have we learned:
1 - A lot!
2 - Having decoded the virus’ genetics, vaccine development will be faster than prior, if possible
3 - the virus mimics bradykinin storms in the body, more a vascular event than previously thought google covid Tennessee super computer analysis from July
4 - Everyone likes more data, but more data is harder to synthesize without the required experience / knowledge
5 - social media is an echo chamber for what people want to believe - and has confirmation bias built in as a bonus
6 - managing a very large independent population with information and voluntary compliance with worldwide social media is very very hard, really impossible
7 - one can decode another’s personality type / time preferences of beliefs wrt workforce mgmt / science / analysis / economics from reactions posted on social media. (How many dimensions of a problem can one identify, with secondary and tertiary effects with humans who have no std deviations of outcomes)
8 - the virus is incredibly contagious through the air and information increases over time over time with study and analysis. ( read up on anchoring bias)
9 - humans dislike change, don’t perceived very small risks with very significant outcomes well ( think people living below dams with cracks)
10 - everyone wants everyone else to be treated equal but the self wants to be treated special ( no one will admit to being below average driver , who are those people anyway?)

Sportsguy

Villager’s death proves that COVID-19 virus must be taken seriously | News Break

You could be a real version of the Energizer Bunny and still die from the Corona Virus.

To quote a sign I saw recently

Not all Superheroes wear capes, but they all wear masks/"

What did this teach us? Let me see. How about that the President and the First Lady contracted a virus, a flu, like millions of people do every year. And that they will be under doctors care, recover and go on with their lives. This virus will be around for 10 years. Get over it. I’ll wear my mask in stores only because it’s mandatory. As soon as I get out of the stores that mask is off. I look forward to seeing many of you at the squares and restaurants and I look forward to shaking your hand. And please stop with your statement that the virus may have long term health effects. All viruses, germs and flu’s have always had that possibility. All viruses germs and flu’s have effected people differently. I’ll see those of you who want to go on with you lives at the squares and restaurants.

More than half of the cases were at the prison. The Villages has between 3-7 cases daily during the time of the spike in Sumter. The Villages is being shown as Lake, Marion and Sumter.

It is in your hands
 

It has always been the case that, if you walk or drive around the square at Sumpter you will see little clusters of people sitting together chatting at bars or tables outside. You know those people are at risk. If one of them has Covid-19, the rest are likely to get it.

Now, since our governor has opened bars and restaurants, high risk activity is much greater. There was going to be a winter spike anyway. Now it will be MUCH greater as Covid spreads to those poets of risk takers. And deaths among Villagers is going to be MUCH higher than deaths among younger people.

But it has always been mostly in our power to survive this thing. Stay away from crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands, don't touch door handles, etc. The danger for us now is greater than it has been. And for god's sake don't listen to the happy news.

They told people in March not to wear masks because there weren't enough masks to go around and health professionals needed what was available. Still, it was a bad call. For people who say masks don't work - just because masks don't work 100% at stopping the virus molecules, they do stop a lot of it and it keeps people from catching the virus. That is well proven.

Science?
 

In the case of Covid-19, it seem to me, that "science" has been wrong MOST of the time. I'd love to see an actual, scientific discussion, if the politics were removed. "Experts" often disagree. I do believe that the personal hygiene and protection steps we can all take are wise.

There were people there who kept ther masks on
 

it doesn’t take courage to wear your mask it just takes common sense. Remember when you complained to your mother , and she would say I don’t care what the other kids are doing you’ll do it this way , courage is running into a burning building, crossing an open field under fire, wearing a mask at public gatherings is called being a good citizen

Spike in positivity
 

I believe that the spike in positivity in Sumter County is a reminder that this isn’t over yet. With snow birds returning I suspect TV will find an upsurge in cases. This is my opinion and my decision to continue cautious behavior is mine to make. We all must do what makes us comfortable. I think the president’s diagnosis is a reminder that we must remain vigilant.