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Gmaf6 10-04-2020 09:47 AM

You’re right in that unless you can afford a new one every time you touch it or wash and dry it multiple times a day, it offers very little protection. Seeing people touching them, wearing them under their nose or chin and moving them up and down repeatedly is, I guess for them, better than no protection. Some cannot wear one and it’s not our place to judge. Some follow the guidelines to the letter and still get sick. This is a virus....more deadly to some than others. Do what you feel is right for you...,I do not know what your situation is so it’s not my place to judge you or anyone else. Take the precautions laid out, stay home, enjoy the time we have left doing what we like....if you’re sick, stay home....many have succumbed to this and so many other diseases over the last 8 months. Be careful....but be alive!

Gigi3000 10-04-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1842467)
You mean the same Judge Barrett who already contracted Covid-19 during the summer?

Amy Coney Barrett had COVID-19 earlier this year, officials say - Chicago Tribune

Still, I am surprised a mother of 7 especially, didnt stand up for her mask wearing. We still dont know if you can get it again plus apparently there are new strains. Imho, this makes her appear weak. If she cant stand up for her mask wearing, something so simple, how can she stick to her guns when wrangling with the other justices.
Weak, weak, weak. I'm embarrassed for her!!

graciegirl 10-04-2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 1842698)
It has always been the case that, if you walk or drive around the square at Sumpter you will see little clusters of people sitting together chatting at bars or tables outside. You know those people are at risk. If one of them has Covid-19, the rest are likely to get it.

Now, since our governor has opened bars and restaurants, high risk activity is much greater. There was going to be a winter spike anyway. Now it will be MUCH greater as Covid spreads to those poets of risk takers. And deaths among Villagers is going to be MUCH higher than deaths among younger people.

But it has always been mostly in our power to survive this thing. Stay away from crowds, wear a mask, wash your hands, don't touch door handles, etc. The danger for us now is greater than it has been. And for god's sake don't listen to the happy news.

Your advice is good except when you malign the Daily Sun who has never directed anyone to ignore advice from Scientists on Covid-19. And chitown. This isn't the seasonal flu. This isn't the seasonal flu. This isn't the seasonal flu. This ******* can kill you by choking you to death with thick mucosa that first makes you gasp for breath than suffocates you. This isn't the seasonal flu.

ahayward65 10-04-2020 09:58 AM

Politicians believe in their invincibility.

Joanne19335 10-04-2020 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallyworld (Post 1842369)
There will never be a vaccine. Live your life to the fullest every day!!!

If living your life to the fullest means not wearing a mask or social distancing, you will have a very short one. Good luck and God bless.

Joanne19335 10-04-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1842514)
Why would anyone in a Pandemic refuse to do something as simple as wear a mask in public places for the duration?

It doesn't cause pain. It is affordable. It is easy. It is socially acceptable. It makes 70% of the country agree with you.

If you want to push against what is acceptable you can go around with your pants unzipped.

You can wear your "Make love, not War Shirt.".

Well put, Gracie. Nice to know there are some Villagers who don’t only think about themselves!

jimjamuser 10-04-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1842458)
All it teaches us is that you can’t hide from a virus! Mask or no mask! I don’t wear a mask as I know they are useless! We will all be exposed to Covid just like we are the flu or the common cold. Trump has no co-morbidities so he will be past this in a week or so, just like 99% of those that get it!
The media has done a good job of tuning much of the population into paranoid people!

Wrong lesson to be learned from the recent news. Completely off base and 180 degrees off of true north. Processing news requires flexibility of thinking. Humans are adaptive and creative creatures, not programmable automatons confined to tribal camps forever. This is a GREAT learning opportunity!

deebrock 10-04-2020 10:42 AM

Or to Barr. He is not staying in either.

New Englander 10-04-2020 10:43 AM

Why was Amy Coney Barrett asked to remove her mask???

worahm 10-04-2020 10:52 AM

Wearing anything other then a N-95 mask is like fencing in your back yard with wire fence to keep the mosquitoes out .

Joe C. 10-04-2020 10:54 AM

I'll say what most say: Wearing a mask protects others from you. Not the other way around. Stay clean, keep hands from eyes and nose, and if you have a cold, allergy or covid, wear a mask to keep your exhaled breath (and spittle) close to you and not 6 feet away into someone's face. That said, ... the virus is airborne, so we will eventually breathe some of it.
Even the vaccine, when it comes out, won't kill the virus. It will be here always, like the regular flu that's here yearly, and modified each time, so the best we can do is hope we don't get it. And even when (not if) we finally get it, I don't think that it will hurt most of us. The regular flu sometimes kills those who are elderly or have underlying issues, and this covid will just go on. And so will I. Just go on with life the way I always have. I'm not worried. Never have been and never will. It's just the way things are.
I think that there is a certain amount of paranoia that is totally ridiculous, and yet there should be a reasonable amount of caution.
I just won't hide from the boogie man.

jrosaltal1 10-04-2020 10:55 AM

Trump carelessly infecting others?
 
Did he know his DX before all his events and didn't care?

jimjamuser 10-04-2020 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1842621)
The disappointing news regarding the vaccine being so highly touted came from Dr. Fauci several weeks ago. He said that if the first version of the vaccine was as much as 50% effective (efficacy of 50%), that “I’d be thrilled.” He went on to explain that it takes several years of tweaking and retesting to get a vaccine to a high rate of efficacy. He used the measles vaccine, currently with an efficacy in the 97-98% range as an example. It took more than a decade to get that vaccine to that level of effectiveness.

COVID-19 is going to change our lives for a long time to come.

Great post. So true and realistic.

Byte1 10-04-2020 11:06 AM

It doesn't matter if you wear a mask if you get the virus from your spouse. The "scientists and doctors" say that you do not contract the virus from briefly passing someone or being outside and social distancing. You would have to be having a conversation with someone with both of you not wearing a mask and one of you would have to be infected. Then MAYBE one of you would become infected....maybe. So, if "science" is so relevant, then why worry? According to their "science" you would not catch the virus when shopping and you do not catch it from the food that you are served at a restaurant. But, do what you want because "the sky is falling."
I wear a mask when shopping because the signs require it to be worn. I would wear one at other times IF I felt I was in danger of infection. I'm not going to let this pandemic scare me into putting my life on hold. Already passed my expiration date anyway, so I might as well enjoy what is left.
Some of you will likely pass from stress. Wear your mask and quit worrying about it. Do what you feel is necessary to keep the stress level down.

graciegirl 10-04-2020 11:13 AM

'Silent hypoxia' may be killing some COVID-19 patients. But there's hope. | Live Science

NancyLee 10-04-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1842473)
You can find articles by leading epidemiologist explaining that the Covid molecule is so small that it will pass through any mask. When they initially told you not to wear a mask because it will do no good they were not lying to you. Wearing them now is pretty much only psychological. You cannot hide from a virus. But you should not worry about it either because it has the same survivability as the flu. I’m looking forward to the day that people lose the paranoia and stop walking around with their face covered looking like idiots!

I think we are forgetting that the Covid virus itself does not swim through the air on its own. It is attached to water vapor from your breathing and from juicy particles from your talking, laughing, sneezing, or coughing. Masks are a barricade to these vapors and particles. Also, Covid does not have the same survivability as the flu if you count the possible after effects of lung damage, which may be long term.

jimjamuser 10-04-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chitown (Post 1842674)
What did this teach us? Let me see. How about that the President and the First Lady contracted a virus, a flu, like millions of people do every year. And that they will be under doctors care, recover and go on with their lives. This virus will be around for 10 years. Get over it. I’ll wear my mask in stores only because it’s mandatory. As soon as I get out of the stores that mask is off. I look forward to seeing many of you at the squares and restaurants and I look forward to shaking your hand. And please stop with your statement that the virus may have long term health effects. All viruses, germs and flu’s have always had that possibility. All viruses germs and flu’s have effected people differently. I’ll see those of you who want to go on with you lives at the squares and restaurants.

Re: shaking hands - That would have to INCREASE a person's chance of getting CV, even if they had a 6ft long arm. Maybe someday there will be a survey of the greater % of deaths suffered (and caused) by shaking hands. All just because of inflexibility and adversion to change. The last 3 days SHOULD have been a teaching moment.

LiverpoolWalrus 10-04-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1842754)
Some of you will likely pass from stress. Wear your mask and quit worrying about it. Do what you feel is necessary to keep the stress level down.

Truer words were never spoken. Stress symptoms: Effects on your body and behavior - Mayo Clinic

jimjamuser 10-04-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by spubear2 (Post 1842702)
They told people in March not to wear masks because there weren't enough masks to go around and health professionals needed what was available. Still, it was a bad call. For people who say masks don't work - just because masks don't work 100% at stopping the virus molecules, they do stop a lot of it and it keeps people from catching the virus. That is well proven.

The greater problem was that the DPA was NOT used to increase the manufacture of masks and other PPEs. It was one of the flaws in the US dealing with the CV. Other countries suffered MUCH less just because they took it seriously and early. The US was late and did NOT even TRY to catch up. It is now too late to do much, but suffer.

carolfry44 10-04-2020 11:42 AM

Chris Christie is 58 years old.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1842584)
Who knows where the President contracted Covid from. If nothing else it proves if he can get it anyone can. Everyone of those people in the Rose Garden had to test negative before they were admitted. Everyone that enters or gets near the President has to test negative. So what does this tell us. Is this telling us testing is ineffective? I keep reading in these posts that science is never wrong. That is incorrect. Scientific theories that came out years ago can and often are disproved today. Remember this virus started less than a year ago. The science is still evolving on this. I suspect a year or two years from now much of what has been taken as gospel today will change. So what are our choices. We can hide in our homes and never leave or we can go about our lives as normally as possible and take as many precautions as we can. The one thing that is a fact is that this is a virus. You cannot hide from it no more than you can from a common cold or the flu. So it comes down to personal choice and you have to make that decision. So if you choose to go out, wear your mask, wash your hands, use hand sanitizers but remember there is always a risk as is much of life.

No, that is not what this proves. People who wear masks and social distance have much more of a chance to avoid this virus than our President. He is an anti-masker and does not insist that people social distance. The tests which are used to test everyone who comes close to our President have proven to be 50% inaccurate. That breeds false security. He got caught and so did several others. What is so surprising to me is how he was able to avoid contracting the virus before this.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ruralgoddess (Post 1842587)
thanks for posting this

You're welcome. Any mask I plan to wear in public gets the "droplet test" as I call it. So far, every mask I have purchased has passed the test and my mirror remains untouched by the water.

I also do a flame test which I have seen demonstrated by experts on TV. Try to blow out a candle flame with your mask holding the flame about 12" from your mouth. Blow as hard as you can and if the flame goes out, your mask is not good enough to contain aerosols or droplets. Simple test but very important to do.

rmd2 10-04-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallyworld (Post 1842369)
There will never be a vaccine. Live your life to the fullest every day!!!

I think we will have a vaccine by the end of the year.

Bucco 10-04-2020 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1842778)
No, that is not what this proves. People who wear masks and social distance have much more of a chance to avoid this virus than our President. He is an anti-masker and does not insist that people social distance. The tests which are used to test everyone who comes close to our President have proven to be 50% inaccurate. That breeds false security. He got caught and so did several others. What is so surprising to me is how he was able to avoid contracting the virus before this.

Actually the administration has been actively asking people to remove their masks, as with the Rose Garden, and refusing requests from others to don them, as in Cleveland the entourage asked by a doctor to remove and they refused.

graciegirl 10-04-2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1842793)
Actually the administration has been actively asking people to remove their masks, as with the Rose Garden, and refusing requests from others to don them, as in Cleveland the entourage asked by a doctor to remove and they refused.

I believe that everyone is aware of how this happened. I am aware that some posters only jump on ways to work in a rant that is negative or one that brings up lying. I can't remember any positive posts from some posters unless it is agreeing with a post that is also negative. In fact this interim with the President hospitalized has been a respite for me. Hating someone and pointing out their faults day after day after day after day is wearing. I make no excuses for this man getting sick. He endangered himself and others and I hope that this experience will change his thinking. I doubt it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. We all on this forum pretty much keep saying the same thing, day after day. May God spare the President's life and and may he keep us all safe. If He is. I pretty much think He is.

Jacob85 10-04-2020 12:33 PM

The masks protect the person wearing it as well as the other people. It is common sense as well as there have been a large number of demonstrations showing where the virus droplets go. If you have nothing on your face the droplets can go in your nose and mouth!

Bucco 10-04-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1842802)
I believe that everyone is aware of how this happened. I am aware that some posters only jump on ways to work in a rant that is negative or one that brings up lying. I can't remember any positive posts from some posters unless it is agreeing with a post that is also negative. In fact this interim with the President hospitalized has been a respite for me. Hating someone and pointing out their faults day after day after day after day is wearing. I make no excuses for this man getting sick. He endangered himself and others and I hope that this experience will change his thinking. I doubt it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. We all on this forum pretty much keep saying the same thing, day after day. May God spare the President's life and and may he keep us all safe. If He is. I pretty much think He is.

You certainly jumped on this post, which I admit was a bit sharper than intended.

I was replying to a post, which I may have over read, which I thought implied that this was "by chance" which it was not.

I cannot ever wish any other human being to suffer. Not my style and never has been, although much has been aimed at my and my wife's health on here 😁

Not sure of whom you speak with the capital H in he, but hoping it was the only person who should receive that. I will refrain on our POTUS keeping us safe, and make no comment.

SRQWillie 10-04-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1842500)
Leadbone, hmmmm!, I have another name for you, but, because moderator asks us to refrain from name-calling, I will behave. Folks, listen to the scientist, period.

It's called ridiculous.
I wear a mask out and about, do not shake hands, keep distance etc. Recently developed flu like symptoms and had a LITTLE anxiety. Tested positive for this so called Covid scare..... 3 days later was back to normal.
Again, I'd you are scared, stay home and live in fear. Not me. Life goes on and so do I.
Watch and learn. Trump will be on his feet and back at it as this is total BS and I am sick and tired of the paranoia.

graciegirl 10-04-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SRQWillie (Post 1842818)
It's called ridiculous.
I wear a mask out and about, do not shake hands, keep distance etc. Recently developed flu like symptoms and had a LITTLE anxiety. Tested positive for this so called Covid scare..... 3 days later was back to normal.
Again, I'd you are scared, stay home and live in fear. Not me. Life goes on and so do I.
Watch and learn. Trump will be on his feet and back at it as this is total BS and I am sick and tired of the paranoia.

Many of us have other tales to share. Many of us are taking this novel virus very seriously.

justjim 10-04-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1842373)
Wear a mask!

Excellent advice. Some people are stubborn and will not admit they are wrong.

Snorkl46 10-04-2020 01:15 PM

The flu does not kill 208,000 Americans in 8 months!!!!

coffeebean 10-04-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1842644)
what is so difficult to understand that as more was discovered about the virus, recommendations changed. it was a NOVEL virus, the knowledge evolved but it was based on science. and, more importantly, he admitted it was wrong, but he has always tried to make recommendations on the known science at the time.

now, it was said it would magically go away at Easter, then when the heat of summer came, etc, etc. none of it based on science but some people ignore that.

Those statements were not made by scientists. We all know who said those things.

bumpygreens 10-04-2020 01:20 PM

Have you passed a person with your mask on, and noticed the scent of that person's perfume or after shave? The particles that enter your nose which allow you to detect the scent are approximately 1 micron in size. A micron is 1,000 nanometers. The Covid virus is between 60 to 140 nanometers in diameter. A virus, however, doesn't just float around on its own. It's attached to a larger particle.

A properly fit N95 filter is effective at removing particles down to 300 nanometers (0.3 microns). In fact, the smaller the particle the more effective the N95 is at removing it.

Surgical masks, depending on the manufacturer and materials of which they are made, are highly variable in their efficiency...anywhere from 10 to 90%. They are better suited for filtering particles emitted from the wearer (in other words, they protect others from you).

Plastic face shields protect the wearer from splatter into their eyes, nose or mouth. They don't filter the air you inhale, nor do they filter the air you exhale.

Large, well ventilated spaces are pretty safe. Masks offer some protection when you can't always maintain social distance. Have fun at the squares - just don't kiss your bartender, and you will probably be okay.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1842652)
I feel so bad for Amy Coney Barrett who was asked to remove her mask before entering the Rose Garden last week. Who among us would have had to courage to not do that?

Now many people in that gathering are testing positive. I hope Counselor Barrett does not get Covid.

Amy Coney Barrett had Covid in the summer. I would hope (for all our sakes) that she has immunity to the disease at this point.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1842655)
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To the OP - could not agree more. When I viewed the Rose Garden video, appalling. Yes, no doubt the WH had relaxed some COVID rules recently. From what I read, it is possible to be infected and very early-on not show any significant symptoms and perhaps not show positive on the test. So, apparently someone on the POTUS staff was in this position and infected him.

...and perhaps so many others at the Rose Garden ceremony. There could be more showing COVID signs the next couple days. Imagine if the VP is infected, and the Supreme Court nominee...

BTW as for POTUS "not in great shape", before COVID, his daily medicine was one baby aspirin. period. Apparently from all accounts he is in very good shape (other then his "shape"...) for a 74 year old man... good genes. He seldom ever gets sick, even a cold or flu. And is an EXTREMELY hard working guy. Contrary to some news reports...

But the apparent "relaxed" COVID protection, esp at that RG gathering was SO WRONG. And they now have a price to pay. too bad, but an excellent reminder to us all. We still practice everyday life, but careful re social distance, mask wearing, and all the other recommendations.
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I have seen video of a reception INDOORS before the guests arrived in the Rose Garden. No masks and no social distancing. This type of behavior should not be flaunted to America. See what it gets you?

Villageswimmer 10-04-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1842827)
Amy Coney Barrett had Covid in the summer. I would hope (for all our sakes) that she has immunity to the disease at this point.


I think the judge was demonstrating her respect for others by wearing the mask. She was put in an uncomfortable position if she (allegedly) was asked to remove it.

Villageswimmer 10-04-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1842825)
Have you passed a person with your mask on, and noticed the scent of that person's perfume or after shave? The particles that enter your nose which allow you to detect the scent are approximately 1 micron in size. A micron is 1,000 nanometers. The Covid virus is between 60 to 140 nanometers in diameter. A virus, however, doesn't just float around on its own. It's attached to a larger particle.

A properly fit N95 filter is effective at removing particles down to 300 nanometers (0.3 microns). In fact, the smaller the particle the more effective the N95 is at removing it.

Surgical masks, depending on the manufacturer and materials of which they are made, are highly variable in their efficiency...anywhere from 10 to 90%. They are better suited for filtering particles emitted from the wearer (in other words, they protect others from you).

Plastic face shields protect the wearer from splatter into their eyes, nose or mouth. They don't filter the air you inhale, nor do they filter the air you exhale.

Large, well ventilated spaces are pretty safe. Masks offer some protection when you can't always maintain social distance. Have fun at the squares - just don't kiss your bartender, and you will probably be okay.


“Large, well ventilated spaces...” You mean like the Rose Garden?
Or the Squares?

Topspinmo 10-04-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1842446)
Soooo, the CDC guidelines for 2 week quarantine, when exposed to covid, does not
apply to VP Pence, chair of covid. Hmmmm.

Exposed such a wide open word. Exposed like being in Close contact? I sure he’s tested daily. We are all exposed to virus when we’re out in public, that why we social distance, wash ours hands, and wear mask. Some people put themselves at risk and some don’t have clue how the caught the virus. Only thing we peons can do is protect ourselves using guidelines.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by worahm (Post 1842746)
Wearing anything other then a N-95 mask is like fencing in your back yard with wire fence to keep the mosquitoes out .

That is so wrong on every level.

equaintance 10-04-2020 01:45 PM

Listen to the scientists. Wear a mask and do not expose the rest of us. Maintain safe distance. Stay home if you are a senior and have underlying medical conditions. Have your groceries delivered. The person in the highest office of our country did not listen to the scientists to protect himself, his family, his aids and anyone he was close to and came down with Covid 19. Does that not tell you something?


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