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coffeebean 10-04-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jrosaltal1 (Post 1842750)
Did he know his DX before all his events and didn't care?

Trump attended the NJ fundraising event after knowing he was exposed to Hope Hicks who had tested positive. Aren't we supposed to self quarantine if we are aware we have been in contact with someone who tests positive? What was he thinking?

tvbound 10-04-2020 01:49 PM

Let's look a little further in the future. Besides the obvious lesson of what can happen by not following almost universally prescribed precautions by medical experts and getting the virus, I believe up until now we have already learned quite a bit from this. Chief among them are the wildly varying stories we citizens keep being told regarding the timelines, seriousness and facts on what has happened. What I also predict, is that when he gets through it (I think the odds are good that he will) many will start using the fact that he made it (ignoring the obvious in that he had every resource in the world available, which the average person doesn't) to say - "see, it isn't all that bad after all."

Should that occur, then IMHO this nation will have been set back tremendously in trying to truly get our arms around this pandemic and the couple hundred thousand (just to date) who have already died, will be but just a small beginning. For the long term benefit of our great nation, I have never before in my life, hoped harder that I am completely wrong. This is a lifetime opportunity for a leader to do immeasurable good, by uttering the simple phrase of - "I was wrong."

Topspinmo 10-04-2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralpha (Post 1842616)
I couldn’t agree with you more! I hope the fools who refused to listen to science will come to their senses and pay attention to what they say. Trump should be living proof of what happens when you ignore and poo poo off the experts.

Along with Boris, prince Charles, and 100 plus more. O make that millions more.

Brynnie 10-04-2020 02:03 PM

Backlog
 
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1842401)
Does anyone know what to make of the huge spike in positive rates in Sumter County on September 29 and 30 according to Home | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak The county had been at about 4% on average and then spiked up to 21% on 9/29 and 22% on 9/30.

I was told that several test results were backlogged and reported all at once, which is the reason for the large number in one day.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1842793)
Actually the administration has been actively asking people to remove their masks, as with the Rose Garden, and refusing requests from others to don them, as in Cleveland the entourage asked by a doctor to remove and they refused.

Yes, I'm aware of this and I am appalled by it.

bumpygreens 10-04-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1842833)
“Large, well ventilated spaces...” You mean like the Rose Garden?
Or the Squares?

Yes. That's exactly what I mean. Outdoors is very safe especially if you can maintain some space between yourself and others. The White House is one of the most secure places on earth, but hundreds of people work there, and hundreds more go in and out on official business. People who work there are tested daily; some are tested more than once in a day; visitors are tested. But tests can give false results. All it takes is one inaccurate test, and all the precautions are worthless. Most of the people in the rose garden were probably in the White House first. That's the way it usually works for state functions. My guess is negative screenings made most of them feel pretty secure, and they weren't as cautious as they could have been while inside.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1842834)
Exposed such a wide open word. Exposed like being in Close contact? I sure he’s tested daily. We are all exposed to virus when we’re out in public, that why we social distance, wash ours hands, and wear mask. Some people put themselves at risk and some don’t have clue how the caught the virus. Only thing we peons can do is protect ourselves using guidelines.

It has been reported that the rapid Abbot tests which have been used at the White House are only 50% accurate. How helpful is that? It isn't.

coffeebean 10-04-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1842843)
Let's look a little further in the future. Besides the obvious lesson of what can happen by not following almost universally prescribed precautions by medical experts and getting the virus, I believe up until now we have already learned quite a bit from this. Chief among them are the wildly varying stories we citizens keep being told regarding the timelines, seriousness and facts on what has happened. What I also predict, is that when he gets through it (I think the odds are good that he will) many will start using the fact that he made it (ignoring the obvious in that he had every resource in the world available, which the average person doesn't) to say - "see, it isn't all that bad after all."

Should that occur, then IMHO this nation will have been set back tremendously in trying to truly get our arms around this pandemic and the couple hundred thousand (just to date) who have already died, will be but just a small beginning. For the long term benefit of our great nation, I have never before in my life, hoped harder that I am completely wrong. This is a lifetime opportunity for a leader to do immeasurable good, by uttering the simple phrase of - "I was wrong."

Can I "like" this 100000000000000000000 times? Please?

Bucco 10-04-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1842863)
Can I "like" this 100000000000000000000 times? Please?

Plus one.

Leadership in January when first advised would have been great, but even late might save lives.

Marshaw 10-04-2020 03:00 PM

Just remember 99.4% recovery. Pretty darn good if you ask me. Enjoy life just be careful not fearfull

jmcote 10-04-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1842843)
Let's look a little further in the future. Besides the obvious lesson of what can happen by not following almost universally prescribed precautions by medical experts and getting the virus, I believe up until now we have already learned quite a bit from this. Chief among them are the wildly varying stories we citizens keep being told regarding the timelines, seriousness and facts on what has happened. What I also predict, is that when he gets through it (I think the odds are good that he will) many will start using the fact that he made it (ignoring the obvious in that he had every resource in the world available, which the average person doesn't) to say - "see, it isn't all that bad after all."

Should that occur, then IMHO this nation will have been set back tremendously in trying to truly get our arms around this pandemic and the couple hundred thousand (just to date) who have already died, will be but just a small beginning. For the long term benefit of our great nation, I have never before in my life, hoped harder that I am completely wrong. This is a lifetime opportunity for a leader to do immeasurable good, by uttering the simple phrase of - "I was wrong."

Never going to happen.

Scbang 10-04-2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshaw (Post 1842878)
Just remember 99.4% recovery. Pretty darn good if you ask me. Enjoy life just be careful not fearfull

True, but what about your neighbors, friends or your loved ones you might infect unintentionally?

Let's just review some facts. I am not an MD but from a engineer's perspective.

One sneeze can spit out 3000 droplets traveling 200 mph and can travel 40+ feet.
Each droplet can contain 5000+ viruses. Everyone including very old and weak still has some immunity to fight off the virus even CV. If you caught 1 virus, you might still be OK.
It's numbers game, if you are in a proximity to a infected person without a mask ( not necessarily 6 ft but closer the worse ) your chances of catching CV dramatically increases even if you are very healthy. Then your are asymptomatic but still dangerous for the rest of the population because you are not aware that you can kill many others.

Asians have been wearing masks for decades. Not just for flu and cold but also for allergies. Just imagine someone sneezed without covering their mouth in front of you and you felt a droplet in your face. Even a healthy person can carry a lot of bacteria and/or virus.

So, wearing a mask protects other people from your germs. Also minimize number of viruses you might be exposed to. There is no 100% protection unless you wear hazard suit 24 hours. So, at this moment, nobody knows whether one has CV or not. Even when you have been tested negative for CV yesterday, you could have caught it right after that.

Let's wear a mask for humanity and for yourself.

Hackercraft 10-04-2020 04:40 PM

How do the masks prevent us from getting the virus?

santiagobob 10-04-2020 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1842458)
All it teaches us is that you can’t hide from a virus! Mask or no mask! I don’t wear a mask as I know they are useless! We will all be exposed to Covid just like we are the flu or the common cold. Trump has no co-morbidities so he will be past this in a week or so, just like 99% of those that get it!
The media has done a good job of tuning much of the population into paranoid people!

People who refuse to wear a mask have no regard for those around them. During the night time bombing of London, none of the Londoners broke the blackout by leaving their lights on by citing personal liberty and so putting others in danger.

Rosebud1949 10-04-2020 04:56 PM

The scientists
 
MOST OF US who have not had, been negatively tested for, or do not intend to have this virus ALWAYS listened to the scientists. Always wore a mask, and were sensible in social distancing. Shame that those "know alls" in the White House, and many other places, DID NOT. Just how many have they infected now.. NO ONE IS IMMUNE.......


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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1842363)
I've been watching the recordings of the assembly in the Rose garden earlier this week, and it's hard to fathom what they were thinking - not wearing masks, shaking hands, hugging in some cases. Seems to go against everything our experts tell us.

But to me the biggest take-away is that even out in the open air, it looks like you can still get the virus if you don't practice social distancing. I know it's going to make me think twice about eating outside, and I'm re-thinking all my activites now.

Is there anything else that can be learned? Super-spreader events like this just seem all too common. I've still not had a hair cut in 8 months now, and don't see that changing any time soon.

We have to get back to listneing to the Scientists on this. Wishful thinking is not going to cut it folks, and I don't like playing Russian roulette.

I beelive Trump is not in great shape, so if there is some good from this it's that he may become a poster child for why we all need to take it seriously and wear masks when with others.


GoPacers 10-04-2020 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1842476)
Science is never wrong? Seriously? The very nature of science and the scientific method is to try and replicate the results of prior studies and hypotheses. Quite often, the original "science" can't be replicated. That's part of the process. That has nothing to do with "misunderstanding the data and drawing erroneous conclusions", which I guess is your way of trying to criticize this other commenter here.

Well, thank goodness we have omniscient scientists here at TOTV.

Wired.com: "Scientists Are Wrong All The Time...And That's Fantastic"

The referenced article says scientists are wrong, not science. Scientists are people. Science is not a person. You'll have to explain how science can be wrong...

Scbang 10-04-2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackercraft (Post 1842909)
How do the masks prevent us from getting the virus?

It reduces numbers of viruses you are exposed to by stopping droplets that carries viruses. Statistically, less of viruses you are exposed to less of chances that you can get infected to CV. It's not really black or white, yes or no game. When virus overwhelms your immune system, you get infected. Let's wear a mask. You might still get some virus but you may not get infected.

Tennisnut 10-04-2020 05:37 PM

If I have Covid, is there anyone on TOTV that would like to go for ride with me? We could ride around the neighborhood and let everyone know that I am still alive.

TooColdNJ 10-04-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1842473)
. I’m looking forward to the day that people lose the paranoia and stop walking around with their face covered looking like idiots!

Vanity. Do you think everyone is looking at you in the first place? That’s one of the reasons people don’t wear masks... they think they look stupid or, as you put it, like idiots. Vanity isn’t part of the bigger picture here. Judging masked people as looking like idiots is very shallow. There’s also a middle ground between paranoia and flagrant disregard— it’s called caution. While tiny molecules may get through an ordinary mask, it’s comforting to know that just maybe we’re a tiny bit safer than without a mask. While the millions of molecules permeate a room with poor air circulation, or the people that spew many of them all over your maskless face, wearing a face condom and practicing safe breathing can help a little with hope that it might keep a little slower molecule from getting in. 😜

jimjamuser 10-04-2020 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scbang (Post 1842907)
True, but what about your neighbors, friends or your loved ones you might infect unintentionally?

Let's just review some facts. I am not an MD but from a engineer's perspective.

One sneeze can spit out 3000 droplets traveling 200 mph and can travel 40+ feet.
Each droplet can contain 5000+ viruses. Everyone including very old and weak still has some immunity to fight off the virus even CV. If you caught 1 virus, you might still be OK.
It's numbers game, if you are in a proximity to a infected person without a mask ( not necessarily 6 ft but closer the worse ) your chances of catching CV dramatically increases even if you are very healthy. Then your are asymptomatic but still dangerous for the rest of the population because you are not aware that you can kill many others.

Asians have been wearing masks for decades. Not just for flu and cold but also for allergies. Just imagine someone sneezed without covering their mouth in front of you and you felt a droplet in your face. Even a healthy person can carry a lot of bacteria and/or virus.

So, wearing a mask protects other people from your germs. Also minimize number of viruses you might be exposed to. There is no 100% protection unless you wear hazard suit 24 hours. So, at this moment, nobody knows whether one has CV or not. Even when you have been tested negative for CV yesterday, you could have caught it right after that.

Let's wear a mask for humanity and for yourself.

Great post! Kudos!

jimjamuser 10-04-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 1842916)
If I have Covid, is there anyone on TOTV that would like to go for ride with me? We could ride around the neighborhood and let everyone know that I am still alive.

Good knowledge of very current events. Strange events!!!!!!!!

bob47 10-04-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by santiagobob (Post 1842910)
People who refuse to wear a mask have no regard for those around them. During the night time bombing of London, none of the Londoners broke the blackout by leaving their lights on by citing personal liberty and so putting others in danger.

Excellent analogy. Thank you for pointing it out.

Bucco 10-04-2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1842921)
Good knowledge of very current events. Strange events!!!!!!!!

The last few hours are so typical of a period of our history that future generations will never believe.

Msdafliz 10-04-2020 07:02 PM

:coolsmiley:

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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1842380)
There was a guy on TOTV that was arguing with everyone about covid-19. He came across as an expert with a prediction that by October 1st the virus would be gone and he wouldn't have to live like Howard Hughes anymore. I won't say who he is. He knows I'm talking about him.

Where is this expert now?

Where is his scientific analysis and predictions?

Sometimes science gets it wrong so listen to your instincts and protect yourself at all times. The virus can still hit this place hard just like it did the Whitehouse.


Chitown 10-04-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1842710)
Your advice is good except when you malign the Daily Sun who has never directed anyone to ignore advice from Scientists on Covid-19. And chitown. This isn't the seasonal flu. This isn't the seasonal flu. This isn't the seasonal flu. This ******* can kill you by choking you to death with thick mucosa that first makes you gasp for breath than suffocates you. This isn't the seasonal flu.

I get it, it can kill, it can make you hospitalized, it can make you feel miserable, or you may not have symptoms at all. 98% will not die, 90% will not require hospitalization. In my case I was tested positive on April 10 and had a fever between 100-101 for 1 week. I had a slight cough. And recovered. Several friends of which we are all in our 60’s have also had it and were either a symptomatic or mild symptoms like me. This Covid will be with us For 10 years whether there is a vaccine or not like the Swine flu and sars virus Are still with us and killing people.

talleyjm 10-04-2020 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1842652)
I feel so bad for Amy Coney Barrett who was asked to remove her mask before entering the Rose Garden last week. Who among us would have had to courage to not do that?

Now many people in that gathering are testing positive. I hope Counselor Barrett does not get Covid.

She had COVID-19 this past summer. She’s probably chock full of antibodies❗️

JimJohnson 10-04-2020 11:45 PM

I have learned that medical experts are correct and politicians are wrong.

Pamelah 10-05-2020 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1842452)
Did anyone see the short clip when Amy approached the rose garden party in a mask, she was met by 3 gentleman, one I think was mark meadows (could only see back of his head), it then appeared judging by the look on her face and actions, that she was asked to remove her mask which she promptly did.

Awful! Whether this actually happened, it again shows the mindset of everyone in the Rose Garden cuddled up close without a care in the world. Don’t think this clip wasn’t shown to the world and once again, America is the butt of jokes and laughter. Don’t ANY of them have the gumption to say “ No, my mask stays on. “. ( maybe some did and they were escorted out.). I hope all the self righteous Villagers who say,” I have my rights!” Learn from this, but doubt any change. Call me a cold New Englander but I have no sympathy for any in the Rose Garden or the maskless Village people who test positive.

maggie1 10-05-2020 05:45 AM

You're Kidding, Right?
 
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1842458)
All it teaches us is that you can’t hide from a virus! Mask or no mask! I don’t wear a mask as I know they are useless! We will all be exposed to Covid just like we are the flu or the common cold. Trump has no co-morbidities so he will be past this in a week or so, just like 99% of those that get it!
The media has done a good job of tuning much of the population into paranoid people!

I wonder if any of the 209,000 that have died from the virus would still be alive today if they had worn masks and maintained distance. Trump's age and obesity make him a perfect candidate for covid, which he has developed, and might be in worse shape than we are being told. Your statement has no basis in fact, and your cavalier attitude toward self protection just might come back to haunt you.

Bay Kid 10-05-2020 06:04 AM

We have learned it is a flu. Sometimes it will kill you.

Plants 10-05-2020 06:13 AM

Good luck

matandch 10-05-2020 06:16 AM

It teaches us that gathering in large groups is not safe and puts you at risk for catching Covid-19.

Lindsyburnsy 10-05-2020 06:18 AM

Poor judgment and weak. She should not have complied. Her kids were all there too. Guarantee RBG would have stood her ground.

FromNY 10-05-2020 06:29 AM

What was learned
1.The office of the President of my great country is inhabited by an egotistical self-centered dysfunctional human. I truly did not want to believe that these past years. The flaunting and using Covid-19 as a publicly stunt..riding in a car last evening was the straw that broke the donkeys back. Health care workers have been suffering holding the patients who had to die ALONE. This man insulted everyone of those last night on his joy ride.
2. Position and privilege get you top medical care. Even if the treatments are outside acceptable guidelines.
3.The news media are like the guy who says to the women his marriage is over so they can play...work it to meet their needs.
4. It has been a reminder that as an individual I will do what is right for me. And avoid if need be those that do not consider Covid-19 serious. I respect others choices and most of all I respect my choice to stay safe.
5. Biggest lesson: I have the right to change my mind when I cast my ballot.
Stay safe.

Joanne D 10-05-2020 06:40 AM

Respectfully disagree and will follow the recommendations of our scientist.

csricksdds 10-05-2020 06:52 AM

Amazing how much press for the White House gathering and how little press for the larger peaceful, and non peaceful, demonstrations? Both have the same potential to spread the virus?

Girlcopper 10-05-2020 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1842363)
I've been watching the recordings of the assembly in the Rose garden earlier this week, and it's hard to fathom what they were thinking - not wearing masks, shaking hands, hugging in some cases. Seems to go against everything our experts tell us.

But to me the biggest take-away is that even out in the open air, it looks like you can still get the virus if you don't practice social distancing. I know it's going to make me think twice about eating outside, and I'm re-thinking all my activites now.

Is there anything else that can be learned? Super-spreader events like this just seem all too common. I've still not had a hair cut in 8 months now, and don't see that changing any time soon.

We have to get back to listneing to the Scientists on this. Wishful thinking is not going to cut it folks, and I don't like playing Russian roulette.

I beelive Trump is not in great shape, so if there is some good from this it's that he may become a poster child for why we all need to take it seriously and wear masks when with others.

Its assumed thats where people spread the virus. Theres no way to confirm. Yes, it can be spread outdoors and thats been said from the very beginning. Hence, 6 feet apart. Those not in great shape, fat, elderly, medical probs have always been more prone. None of any of this is new info

greenflash245 10-05-2020 07:07 AM

you can't fix stupid!

Fromtherock 10-05-2020 07:38 AM

Listen to the science. Use common sense. Wear a mask.

LiverpoolWalrus 10-05-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by greenflash245 (Post 1843031)
you can't fix stupid!

How To Fix Stupid (Leadership And Influence) - Larry Hochman

I respectfully disagree. Ron White was wrong. I'm looking forward to the day people stop parroting this.


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