[anothersteve]

I'll get the vaccine when I turn 85 and start smoking again.

Steve

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".

Myocarditis is a common complication of the flu

Myocarditis Associated with Influenza A H1N1pdm2009

[davem4616]

A few other things that IMO may change in a post-vaccine world are:

Business travel is likely to be significantly lower than before covid-19 and virtual meetings will become more the norm....which will have an impact on the number of flights that the airlines offer and that will also impact the cost of flying

Hotels occupancy rates will be adversely impacted as a result of less business travel

'brick and mortar' stores will continue to 'shutter' stores as people continue to shift to online buying

hotels, rental car agencies, movie theaters, taxies, Uber, mass transit, etc. will continue to sanitize, as a routine cost of doing business

Conferences and conventions will be scaled back...which will have an adverse impact on revenue for any number of 'host cities'...

virtual learning will be fully accepted as academically equal to a 'brick and mortar' educational experience

anticipate that various 'use' taxes will increase as local and state governments try to recover lost revenue and increased expenses (impacting hotels, restaurants, etc.)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The only reason this virus is not the same or worse as the 1918’, is because of the medical treatments and prevention tactics that unfortunately the rest of the world seemed to learn faster then USA and Brazil and sadlyin some parts of the country still have a lot to learn

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Very good point.

I would be very disappointed if the cruise lines did not insist on proof of vaccination once it is safe to cruise again. Actually on second thought would cancel any cruise on that line and would be sure to tell them why.

Why? If YOU have been vaccinated, why would you care if others are? Are you doubting the vaccine will work? Because that is the only reason you should care if anyone around you has had one.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Why? If YOU have been vaccinated, why would you care if others are? Are you doubting the vaccine will work? Because that is the only reason you should care if anyone around you has had one.

It would be better to wait some period of time to make sure that the vaccine does not have side effects.

Depending upon how they decide to make it available might be mid of next year for our turn.

In answer to your question I do believe vaccines are life saving and if people do not take it run the risk of them passing it on to others.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)

Will all travel roads lead to dismissal of anything CV? Will history books not EVEN mention it? Actually, for there to be a TRULY CV free world AFTER the PAGUE passes, you will need MORE than just a vaccine. You need Americans to buy into the idea of RECEIVING one. You need about 80%. There are currently, in the USA, a lot of anti-vaccers, and anti-SCIENCE-ers, in general. So, it will be difficult to get to 80%. Some people equate CV with the common flu - others think that it is much worse. There are statistics and facts that prove which is more deadly. So, the question for the future of America , who is right? - Science or non-science. I have my opinion, so I will get the vaccine when available and proven safe. But, I will NOT be safe if many people disagree with me. So, my fate is in your hands, and I am TRULY afraid.
This CV problem could go on for years and "herd immunity" will NOT save the planet, any more than the "flat earth society" correctly predicted anything! Ask yourselves also, why has Europe and Asia handled CV better than we did? The past is prologue.

[loweglor]

You might not reach 85 if you don’t get the vaccine.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by loweglor

You might not reach 85 if you don’t get the vaccine.

Thanks....your opinion is well noted.

Steve

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

The article contained no gloom and doom scenarios, just some thought provoking and perhaps likely outcomes. Enjoyed it.

The 1918 flu KEPT coming back for 4 YEARS. The flu KEPT flaring up. If past IS prologue, and this CV does a similar thing or worse MUTATES , we could be looking at significant and UNFORESEEABLE social changes. So, speculation about some short-term future blissful-return to "normal" is speculation and hope to the point of "happy talk". We all hope it goes away, but hope is not a strategy. Europe has taken CV serious. That IS a strategy.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

I love this one ... "something a little worse than the flu" .... 75% of people 43-55 have lasting myocardial inflammation after surviving this one. 250,000 Americans will be dead by the time its over ... "it ain't the flu".

Well pointed out! - the lasting effects! And on children. So, maybe the future is not so bright, that we have to wear shades?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by diva1

So now you have a constitutional right to go on a cruise?

Touche!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by davem4616

A few other things that IMO may change in a post-vaccine world are:

Business travel is likely to be significantly lower than before covid-19 and virtual meetings will become more the norm....which will have an impact on the number of flights that the airlines offer and that will also impact the cost of flying

Hotels occupancy rates will be adversely impacted as a result of less business travel

'brick and mortar' stores will continue to 'shutter' stores as people continue to shift to online buying

hotels, rental car agencies, movie theaters, taxies, Uber, mass transit, etc. will continue to sanitize, as a routine cost of doing business

Conferences and conventions will be scaled back...which will have an adverse impact on revenue for any number of 'host cities'...

virtual learning will be fully accepted as academically equal to a 'brick and mortar' educational experience

anticipate that various 'use' taxes will increase as local and state governments try to recover lost revenue and increased expenses (impacting hotels, restaurants, etc.)

Use taxes are a flat tax. Pushes countries to become - 3rd world. Beware!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Why? If YOU have been vaccinated, why would you care if others are? Are you doubting the vaccine will work? Because that is the only reason you should care if anyone around you has had one.

Another reason might be that you care to not infect another country that you are traveling to, or kill off a whole indigenous culture. That has happened and such cultures are in severe decline. You might not wish to see fellow travelers on that cruise ship infected either? In general, caring needs to be reciprocated.

[Villages Kahuna]

Last week I asked my doc what he would do if a vaccine was made available soon. He answered...”I’d get in line, waay at the end of the line.”

Too many unproven issues...does it work at a very high rate?...how long will the protection last?...and of course, what are the side effects (both short term and long term)?