[justjim]

At first people were calling Covid a “hoax”. Most of us know of loved ones and friends who died or almost died
from Covid. We only have “theories” and speculation how it got started and why. Maybe it did start in China. We could have done better if Covid wasn’t made a “political football” from the very beginning. Unfortunately if another such pandemic occurs, the results will likely not be much different. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln As many have said before, “a great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.” Soon we had better figure out how to all get along.

[collie1228]

Gain of function research was legally banned by the Obama administration. Dr. Fauci and his agency approved/funded gain of function research at Wuhan, China using US taxpayer's dollars. The first three persons exhibiting Covid-19 symptoms worked at the Wuhan Labs. I truly wish that we had a free press that would look into this. But if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Erider

https://archive.is/2023.06.10-172049...rica-qhjwwwvm0

This is in the Sunday Times UK but is behind a paywall. I found the article at this archival site where you can read it for free.

You will probably see more about this in US media once they figure out how to reverse course.

Read the entire article before commenting.

Very good article. Thanks.

[Lisanp@aol.com]

To me, this is old news. I said in March 2020 that Shi’s bat research from the abandoned copper mine had been developed into a biological weapon of mass destruction. The ONLY level 3 biocontainment lab in all of China (and where Shi was doing her bat research) is in Wuhan. I believe that the US has 7 level 3 labs just as a point of reference so why does China only have 1 and by coincidence it happens to be in Wuhan?

[brunogal]

Thank you for the link! In Jan. 2021, Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (Evolutionary Biologists) were guests on the Bill Maher show to discuss their research on Covid origin. According to Bret's Lab Leak Hypothesis, there was only a 2% chance it WASN'T a lab leak. I've been fans of their Dark Horse podcast ever since. Here's the link to the 9 minute discussion:
https://youtu.be/ZMGWLLDSA3c

[jmaccallum]

In the science world, we all know it came from the Wuhan lab and that it was gain of function. Too much overzealousness in research. Happens a lot. It’s kept murky at best because of the many hands involved including those from the US. We pulled out under Obama, but many including China didn’t know if we were stopping or just taking it to our own backyard for further progress.

After Nixon, we made a bet on China. Share technology, improve their social economic status and they’d all want blue jeans and cell phones. Why not, it worked with Japan after WWII. Seemed like a a win-win. We get cheap labor and they eventually get the best of Western lifestyle.

Didn’t work out so good. As usual, our great thinkers didn’t consider all the parameters. The biggest being governing 1.4 billion people who were going to have freedom? We have a hard time doing it with only 300 billion - less than 25% of the Chinese population. Canada has problems doing it with 36 billion - just over 1/10 of us. Not to say it can’t be done, but it’s easier not to. So comes Xi.

If you think people from New York are different from people in North Carolina, and they are, that’s only a drop in the bucket compared to the vast differences of culture and dialect in China. In China, many people from one region can’t even talk to people from another region, unless both speak Mandarin.

So anyway, our partnership with China was like two friends who both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Neither wants to tell the truth, and at some point one pointed at the other. And then the other pointed back. Both feel slighted, so they’re not friends anymore. So let’s take our chips and go home.

Problem is, two kids on the block, both with big weapons. Let’s just hope it doesn’t turn into a mass shooting.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jmaccallum

In the science world, we all know it came from the Wuhan lab and that it was gain of function. Too much overzealousness in research. Happens a lot. It’s kept murky at best because of the many hands involved including those from the US. We pulled out under Obama, but many including China didn’t know if we were stopping or just taking it to our own backyard for further progress.

After Nixon, we made a bet on China. Share technology, improve their social economic status and they’d all want blue jeans and cell phones. Why not, it worked with Japan after WWII. Seemed like a a win-win. We get cheap labor and they eventually get the best of Western lifestyle.

Didn’t work out so good. As usual, our great thinkers didn’t consider all the parameters. The biggest being governing 1.4 billion people who were going to have freedom? We have a hard time doing it with only 300 billion - less than 25% of the Chinese population. Canada has problems doing it with 36 billion - just over 1/10 of us. Not to say it can’t be done, but it’s easier not to. So comes Xi.

If you think people from New York are different from people in North Carolina, and they are, that’s only a drop in the bucket compared to the vast differences of culture and dialect in China. In China, many people from one region can’t even talk to people from another region, unless both speak Mandarin.

So anyway, our partnership with China was like two friends who both got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Neither wants to tell the truth, and at some point one pointed at the other. And then the other pointed back. Both feel slighted, so they’re not friends anymore. So let’s take our chips and go home.

Problem is, two kids on the block, both with big weapons. Let’s just hope it doesn’t turn into a mass shooting.

Very interesting analysis, you might well be right