Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980178)

I really love your posts - so sensible.

This one reminded me of the old adage, "The more things change, the more they stay the same"...

It's not just pandemics - google "The Mexican Repatriation" in 1930s. Amazing how similar (actually in some ways worse) to today.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1980138)

"As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected."

Full reference:

CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1980150)

So how many non FDA approved vaccines are people expected to go for as part of the ongoing clinical studies where the efficiencies and long term effects are unknown?

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1980179)

Thank you.

I found this article while looking for the one on Dr. Kinyoun.

San Francisco plague of 1900–1904 - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1980181)

That said, let's ignore the fact that the Delta variant is much more contagious for a moment. If the more subtle variants can be transmitted by droplets in the UNvaccinated's respiratory system, why shouldn't droplets in the vaccinated be just as prone to transmission, contrary to what the CDC and WHO has said?

And if they are indeed equally transmissible, that would explain why a much more contagious variant (Delta) is wreaking such havoc.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1980179)

Thank you.

I found this article while looking for the one on Dr. Kinyoun.

San Francisco plague of 1900–1904 - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1979991)

Scientific literacy it useful if you are going to cite something.. Please look again at the chart which led you to conclude that "the majority of unvaccinated are in the black population"

The chart the OP posted reports that 36% of Black folks have received at least one dose, thus 64% have not. As they represent 12% of the US population, per the same KFF report, that means that unvaccinated Blacks are 7.6% of the US population. 41% of whites have not received any shots. Whites are 61% of the US population.

Do the math. Unvaccinated whites are 25% of the US population. Now tell me again how "the majority of the unvaccinated are in the black population." The title of this thread is Who are the Naughty antivaxxer refusenicks?

Using the KFF data and a population of 333 million in the US there are about 83 million unvaccinated whites and 25 million unvaccinated Blacks. Keep in mind that the KFF data is NOT age adjusted. They simply looked at total numbers. As it is well known that the average age of both Black and Hispanic Americans is lower than whites because of life expectancy and birth rates, it is worth adding that far fewer people of color have qualified to be vaccinated.

The median age for whites per Pew analysis of census data in 2018 was 44. The median is the age where half the people are older and half younger. The median for Blacks is 34 and Hispanics is 30. Far more whites have been eligible for vaccination for longer periods as the age criteria have liberalized.

Again, I will point out that the best predictor of being a naughty refusenik is not ethnicity.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1980181)

This is puzzling. Is there any reason to believe that nasal viral load in the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated should be different regardless of Covid variant - whether it's the original, alpha, South African, etc.?

The nostrils and throat are the point of entry before the vaccine works its magic. But the vaccine shouldn't have any effect on the initial exposure load, or does it? I don't believe the vaccines have the ability to kill the virus on initial contact, but maybe I'm wrong.

That said, let's ignore the fact that the Delta variant is much more contagious for a moment. If the more subtle variants can be transmitted by droplets in the UNvaccinated's respiratory system, why shouldn't droplets in the vaccinated be just as prone to transmission, contrary to what the CDC and WHO has said?

And if they are indeed equally transmissible, that would explain why a much more contagious variant (Delta) is wreaking such havoc.

Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1980192)

Statistics error on your part. You adjust blacks percentage unvaccinated by their percent of population but your poll doesn’t adjust for the fact that Republicans are only 25% of the adult population. Also your poll fails to mention how it deals with the bias of non response a lesson Hillary Clinton learned in 2016. But your real motive in this “poll” was to slip a political statement past the moderators.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1979970)

Any evidence to back this statement up? Both the JHU and WaPo Covid trackers seem to show that a whole lot of people are getting positive test results and a lot of people are being hospitalized but very few additional people are dying.




A statement currently without any evidence to back it up. Might be true but as others have pointed out, might be a negligible number.

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 1979564)

There is fear, and then there is fear.

I read a story the day before yesterday, that the University of Wisconsin system is offering $7,000 scholarships to University students who have so far not gotten vaccinated.

If this bug is a thing to be so feared--why do supposedly intelligent people need such a large financial bribe to get it? Seems to me that if all those the-sky-is-falling stories were true, that people would be beating down the doors of clinics just to get their shots.

Instead, we have bribes.

Any good reason for this?

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1979717)

Being educated does not provide immunity to misinformation about subjects you are not educated in.

Originally Posted by ROCKMUP (Post 1980049)

Some of us choose to not be a lab rat for the largest social experiment ever done.

I mean, its not like our own government would ever perform any experiments on its own citizens. Would it ?
I can think of at least 6 times since the mid 1800's.

Funny (not ha, ha) how judgmental and arrogant people are. I don't care if you wear a mask and I don't care if you get vaccinated. You do you.