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Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

Ron DeSantis gets Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine | firstcoastnews.com

He said that he would wait his turn and he did. I respect that.
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Governor Ron DeSantis received the J&J vaccine, quietly. I wish he was vaccinated in the public eye to give people the message that the vaccine is safe.

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Just because he got the vaccine doesn't mean it's safe. It just means he got the vaccine.

Now before you go and label me an anti-vaxxer. I'm not. I will be getting the vaccine as soon as I get to Florida.
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Completely agree. We're with you! We follow the data -- not the consensus.
Yep, and in the end over 75% of the US will follow the data, get inoculated, and return to society.

The anti-vaxxers are the reason we aren't moving along faster and getting past this.
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Personally, I have no problem with anyone refusing to be vaccinated, it is their choice. However, when the new international variants start moving freely through society, they may wish they had taken that jab in the arm .... lot easier in the end.

As for masks, no problem there either, I wear my mask when a store requires it, good for me and good for you. There will be a lot less common colds around in the winter months.
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He said that he would wait his turn and he did. I respect that.
I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.
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I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.
Some would probably see that as grandstanding. I guess you can't please everyone.
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I respect he waited his turn too. Just wish he was vaccinated in the "public eye" to set an example for those who are on the fence about getting vaccinated. He just may have encouraged someone to get the shot.
Hundreds of thousands have made decisions on their own, to vaccinate or not. Seeing a political figure publicly getting a vaccine, will not change those who are choosing not to vaccinate. It is their right to choose, not a decision for others to make for them.
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Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired
We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.
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We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.
I just find it hard to believe so many people are taking to do any research on the vaccines. The vaccines have been out for over 10 years, and modified for covid.

But there are still people who seem to think they are invincible and refuse to get vaccinated. TV should be an environment of intelligence and science, not paranoia.

Anti-vaxxers are slowing down the return to normalcy. But Darwin will persevere.....
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Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired
Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.
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ANY government can make SOME mistakes. People make mistakes ALL the time. The government gave us Social Security which no one except maybe an upper 1% er would complain about. We get free roads. We get improved weather reporting with weather satellites. We get protection from invasion by Russia or China. We get protection from external and internal terrorism. We get protection from criminals and criminal gangs. The US government system is set up to balance or neutralize any power grabs from one branch or individual. The Supreme court and the Justice system as a whole prevent power abuses. Free speech and free media are encouraged. I will stop, but I could have gone on and on. Yes, the system is NOT perfect, but NOTHING is!
And the problem with that thinking is, you are putting yourself at risk. Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject. All that you have mentioned has nothing at all to do with your own personal health.
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While some people say your antibody levels are one of the most direct indicators of a vaccine's efficacy, the CDC advises otherwise. "Antibody testing is not recommended to assess for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following COVID-19 vaccination," the agency notes on their website.

"After the vaccines, a lot people are going to get antibody testing—'Oh, I want to see if it's working.' It actually has very little correlation," infectious disease expert Rob Murphy, MD, told The Washington Post. "Many people will test negative on the antibody test, and that does not mean the vaccine didn't work."
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Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject.
Studies and clinical trials on RNA vaccines for other viruses – and even cancers – have been going on for a decade.

Nobody getting the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is a test subject of any kind. These are not experimental vaccines in any way. And they do not modify your dna.

Three ways RNA is being used in the next generation of medical treatment

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Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.
One slight addition: "around the world."

The CDC, WHO, medical experts around the world, science experts around the world, governments around the world, and pharmaceutical companies all believe it is safe and back those claims with research and analysis of the data.

I think I'll believe them over a small handful of posters on ToTV (to include David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired) and some facebook posts that say it is unsafe and back those claims with their strongly held opinions.
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And the problem with that thinking is, you are putting yourself at risk. Essentially, if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject. All that you have mentioned has nothing at all to do with your own personal health.
I say, sir/madame, that on this subject you are incorrectly informed, uninformed, and it makes me suspicious as to what and who you are reading.

You say "You are putting yourself at risk. Essentially (you say), if you take the vaccine, you are no more than a test subject".

I say...Essentially if you do NOT take the vaccine, that essentially you could be completely and very DEAD.

I get so upset when I see people swallow whole things passed from ear to ear, from recorded page to recorded page on Youtube, as Kosher, Valid, Truthful and Trustworthy.

As many have said, it is not only happening here but all over the globe. We have witnessed millions of people dead from this damned bug. I will take my chance on the scientists of this world. And I did. Two shots of Moderna. Our family has also been given Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson and in England, Astra-Zeneca... I do have some worries about the clotting issue there. Someone I knew who was very vocal on the same subject of not trusting the vaccine is now dead. I am not trying to tell this poster to change, just to vette their sources.
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