[Lindsyburnsy]

Thank you for responding intelligently, to a nitwit post.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Sabella

Responses to your post are being met with the argument that the CDC, WHO, MEDICAL EXPERTS, SCIENCE EXPERTS, THE GOVERNMENT, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES don’t lie. I have a bridge to sell these people.

It's not that they don't "lie," but rather, their information is more reliable than the information of some random guy on the internet who knows a guy who did some research (googled a subject) who wrote a "paper" and published it on a website where anyone who knows how to upload a file can publish anything at all.

In addition, you're choosing to believe this one random guy, while the entire WORLD - the planet - the globe - the governments of every single country that exists - are working together to eradicate this virus - or at least minimize risk and minimize deaths AND long-haul symptoms and complications from surviving the virus.

So the whole world says "this is most likely true as far as we can tell at the moment" and this one guy says "they're all lying" and you prefer to believe that one guy.

I can't say I'm surprised, given the collective mentality of various and sundry groups of people. I can't even say I'm disappointed, since I set my standards pretty low with regards to certain segments of humanity.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

Some would probably see that as grandstanding. I guess you can't please everyone.

Do you consider this "grandstanding"? I certainly do not. It is a much needed effort..........

Former Presidents and First Ladies ‘It’s Up To You’ :60 | Ad Council and COVID Collaborative - YouTube

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Hundreds of thousands have made decisions on their own, to vaccinate or not. Seeing a political figure publicly getting a vaccine, will not change those who are choosing not to vaccinate. It is their right to choose, not a decision for others to make for them.

I read other forums besides this one. Cruise forums are a great cross section of folks from all over this country and from overseas.

There are some, I won't say a lot, but some, who have actually changed their minds about not getting vaccinated and have either already been vaccinated or are waiting their turn for vaccination.

Some minds were changed when they found out that the Trumps were vaccinated. Some changed their minds when they found out that cruising would not be a possibility unless they got the vaccine. Some changed their minds when they realized that the vaccines were not a product of the devil.

There is always a possibility that someone will change their mind and get vaccinated once they are educated about these available vaccines, specifically the mRNA vaccines that people seem to feel are too "new" to be safe.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

We totally agree! This is not really a Vaccine folks. Our Government has not been honest with us many times over history... not to mention the lying Media.

Of course it’s your choice... but be aware that no one knows what the long term effects of these so called vaccines might be! It’s a crap shoot.

mRNA vaccines are most certainly vaccines. Here is a definition from Miriam-Webster........
Please take note of definition B.
Vaccine | Definition of Vaccine by Merriam-Webster

[sounding]

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sounding

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

I wouldn't use the word "desperate". I would use the word "mindful" or "earnest". Using celebrities is nothing new to try to convince a society of doubters that vaccines are safe, effective and necessary to kick deadly diseases to the curb.

One example.......
Elvis Presley & the Role Celebrities Can Play in Convincing People to Get Vaccines

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by sounding

This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

uh, what?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sounding

They must be really desperate when old presidents are resurrected to try and influence human behavior. We never saw them tell you to buy cell phones to save your life in emergencies. This is no different than pushing dope. Read the warming label ... "experimental"

The vaccines were given emergency use authorization by the FDA for mass vaccination effort for our population. That is good enough for me! The benefits of the vaccine far, far outweigh the risks, for me.

[bobdeb]

It's so difficult at times to determine which way some folks are leaning.

Some things are a personal choice.

[canyonblue]

Billy Joel reminded me...........

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"
Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide


"We didn't start the fire"

[dougjb]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are actively (or sometimes called naturally) immune. A person who is now immune cannot get or give the disease. The COVID virus is NOT one of those diseases in which an immune person can be a carrier. Therefore we do not need to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Even if I did not previously have had COVID I would still refuse a vaccine for the reasons that follow.

Many people will argue that active or natural immunity is different from vaccinated immunity. Here is what the CDC says; “Active immunity results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Exposure to the disease organism can occur through infection with the actual disease (resulting in natural immunity), or introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination (vaccine-induced immunity). Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it.”

The WHO (World Health Organization) had this to say. “Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response.”

Who else should consider abstaining from the vaccination? “People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated.” - WHO

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

Unfortunately I have found that logical arguments backed by proven science (not “may happen” or “might not be”) fall on deaf ears. It is similar to having an argument over religion. The true believers have blind faith and no person will ever sway their belief no matter how sound the opposing view.

My previously published views on COVID have stirred such animosity that people have gone so far as to wish me “homeless” and that my children “die of cancer”. I have also been called a “quack”, a “know-it-all”, “part of the problem”, a “disgrace”, “brainwashed by Tr_ _p” (of course) and the list goes on and on.

I refuse to be bullied into silence when I see so many people who have been paralyzed with irrational fear and making decisions about their health based on largely one-sided views without fully examining all sides of the issue. Human beings are capable of independent thought and reason. We are not sheep or lemmings.

I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support. I also am a certified coroner after receiving my training at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy and served as the Chief Deputy Coroner for a county in Pennsylvania. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV, H1N1, MRSA & Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases and the hypothetical.

I only include this professional background information to distinguish myself from authors with absolutely no background in healthcare whatsoever and who state unproven theories often with no scientific support. I do not claim to be an expert, just experienced. As the actor Walter Brennan was often quoted from an old television show, The Guns of Will Sonnett; “No brag, just fact".

- David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

Rarely have I read a more useless and poorly thought out posting in TOTV. This is just another of a series of posts that is made by someone with no epidemiological background who cherry picks stats and statements that are simply not relevant to the COVID-19 vaccines. It shows no understanding of mRNA and how it works. It shows no understanding of why the mRNA vaccines are completely different from the other vaccines quoted in the post. It relates how small pox vaccines are no longer given. The reason for the small pox vaccine not being given is because the disease has been eradicated. How has it been eradicated? By vaccinating the earth's population. We are close to that same result with polio. The way we beat COVID is by getting vaccinated...all of us!

[GrumpyOldMan]

It seems so many comments are just reposted for any topic that comes along.

"America is still free" - yes free, but there are laws that are there to protect each of us from the carelessness of others, you can't ALWAYS do what you want. And sometimes you shouldn't do what YOU want. Because you can do something is not the same as you should

"The media lies" - sometimes they write to have a slant, there are not "balanced" media anymore not since the news became a profit center.

"All those posts about... xyz" are just a bunch of elitists, trying to look smart

And on any given subject about stopping the virus. No one thing will solve the problem, masks, social distancing, vaccinations, etc. All of them help, each thing you do helps, none of them are perfect solutions. It seems many people here want perfect solutions and are not willing to do anything if it alone isn't perfect. That is not very smart.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by dougjb

The reason for the small pox vaccine not being given is because the disease has been eradicated. How has it been eradicated? By vaccinating the earth's population. We are close to that same result with polio. The way we beat COVID is by getting vaccinated...all of us!

And that is as pure and true as it can get.

[Love2Swim]

I tried looking up this "D H Dallas, retired RN" etc., and couldn't find anything on him, except for some unsubstantiated internet posts floating around. It always amazes me that people will completely ignore scientists and real doctors, and accept as fact these unproven random internet posts from someone who is just posting their unqualified opinion. So some old, possibly senile, retired RN isn't getting a vaccine. I'm supposed to care about this why? What a ridiculous thread.