[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

...are mostly white.

Uh huh, even white people from perfectly good places like Canada and Europe want to come here, millions of them. Kinda blows your previous statement out of the water.


Why do they come? Because they are FROM countries that are even worse than we are

[cherylncliff]

Based on official statistics, in 2017 the US is 29th in net migration per 1000 residents. List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia

This is similar for the average over the last 5 years.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Based on official statistics, in 2017 the US is 29th in net migration per 1000 residents. List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia

This is similar for the average over the last 5 years.

Now add 10-12 million illegal immigrants to the calculation.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

So with that train of thought there are no felons, rapists, child molesters, arsonists, murderers, domestic offenders...............
Their actions are just " legal or illegal" also? Yep they sure are just carbon units.
Calgon ................take me away!
Steve

Yup Steve, we've got many and more that are home-grown!

[psoccermom]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

That's a topic for another thread. I'm waiting for an explanation on why they keep coming, legal or illegal, if this country is so racist and oppressive.

They keep coming here because this is the best country to live in. With our capitalistic economy they have a chance of making something of themselves. We have freedoms like no other countries. Now as far as the negatives you state, that is the media telling you that. We are far less racist than we were (pre-civil rights). Blacks and whites do get along but the media tells you differently. We are not oppressive since anyone willing and able to work can do far better than where they came from and to advance in society. But again, the media tells you differently. Are we a perfect country, no. Do we have work to do to improve, yes. What we are seeing with the riots is an isolated incident turned into an insurrection. We don't have cops killing blacks everyday. This was one bad cop (and the other 3 that did nothing to stop him) that needs to go. The people had an absolute reason to protest but another group has hijacked that reason to destroy this country.

[joseppe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The ones who claim the max amount - STILL pay medicare and social security tax. No one is exempt from that, except certain civil servants and religious organization employees.

The ones who get paid under the table, are being paid by employers who are breaking the law by employing them.

Also, people are not illegal. Their actions are legal or illegal - but the people themselves are not illegal. They really are actual people. Their existence as "people" is 100% legitimate.

Only if they stay in their country of origin.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I was talking with a Hispanic man the other day and he admitted that he is here illegally. He owns a business doing landscaping work and employs a small crew. He said the crime and gangs in Mexico make life very dangerous and difficult to run a business. Here, he said, if you work hard you will be successful. We had a plumber do some work yesterday, an older Vietnamese man who had immigrated here 4 years ago. It's pretty amazing, a foreigner that probably knew very little English was able to start his own business. We have so many people, native born Americans, who received a free public education that can only whine and moan there are no opportunities for work. Pretty pathetic.

We have no structure to develop a skill or trade. Unless you call video games and daycare raised a skill. Lack of motivation due to our privileged life. I don’t even want to get into public school problems.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Maybe you should ask the farmers and other agricultural employers how they feel about immigrants. The next time you go to the grocery store and pick up lettuce, strawberries and a slab of ribs, think about who picked and prepared those items, so you could enjoy them. Immigrants are sorely needed. Just ask Trump who he has working at his resorts, while caging families at the border.

Maybe you should ask them about livable wage and day labor. How they get out of paying taxes?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Boblib68

We were all immigrants to this country except the native Indians! This is what made our country great!!

No, our family tree we’re all immigrants including the Indians if you’re were born on the soil you’re not immigrants of that soil. Borders make immigrants when they cross it.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Based on official statistics, in 2017 the US is 29th in net migration per 1000 residents. List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia

This is similar for the average over the last 5 years.

Wikipedia, now that’s authority’s of truth and correctness.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Maybe you should ask the farmers and other agricultural employers how they feel about immigrants. The next time you go to the grocery store and pick up lettuce, strawberries and a slab of ribs, think about who picked and prepared those items, so you could enjoy them. Immigrants are sorely needed. Just ask Trump who he has working at his resorts, while caging families at the border.

Sending employers of undocumented workers to prison for a long time, will do more than any other single thing...to stop the problem or allow it in a humane way.

Then watch how many anti-undocumented workers screech and cry... about how much their food and other products have increased.

Thereby requiring even more of these industries to go to countries, where someone makes $15 a day...so as to satisfy the profit demand of their stockholders.


To those who employee undocumented workers, I say...LOCK THEM UP!

Even if that means the flowers here in TV...don't get changed as much.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Sending employers of undocumented workers to prison for a long time, will do more than any other single thing...to stop the problem or allow it in a humane way.

Then watch how many anti-undocumented workers screech and cry... about how much their food and other products have increased.

Thereby requiring even more of these industries to go to countries, where someone makes $15 a day...so as to satisfy the profit demand of their stockholders.


To those who employee undocumented workers, I say...LOCK THEM UP!

Even if that means the flowers here in TV...don't get changed as much.

. Post that I can agree with.

[Timothyimitchell]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Best country on earth but we should not be allowing illegals to come here

Come here, legally. Thats it. Use common sense.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

GoodLife, I picked up on your sarcasm and irony right away. I'm not too surprised that not everyone did. In my many years of online discussions, I've noticed many people are very literal. I even posted a few times that gullible is not in the dictionary and I'd get replies proving me wrong.

That said, I know you are too smart not to be able to answer your own question: As hard as life is sometimes in this country, it pales in comparison to the dire conditions they're trying to flee.

Yes many come to have a better chance in life. But surely they would hesitate if they thought America was a racist oppressive society that some posters here believe it to be.

And you are forgetting that over 17 million people from Canada and Europe have immigrated here in the last 20 years. They are obviously not fleeing some hellhole they were born in. They saw America as an even better opportunity to succeed than the nice place they came from. It is not a small thing to uproot yourself and move to a foreign country, people do not do this on a whim.

[johnadamsUSMC]

Tell me where I'm missing the boat
Why do so many people condone the actions of "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"? Isn't it as simple as the word "illegal"? And don't we have a "legal immigration" process (as slow as it may be)? What do we tell the people who are following all the rules and getting into this country legally?
Or do we do the name change process and call the illegals "displaced foreigners" like they do in California?
Just asking so be nice with your comments