[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There are WAY more long-term issues to be FEARED from being unvaccinated than being vaccinated. You have recorded long-haul effects of the VIRUS. You have possible death! You have large hospital bills from long stays. The unvaccinated are allowing more and more deadly variants to mutate and take over. The unvaccinated are putting the US and world ECONOMY at risk. The unvaccinated have already destabilized US society by creating division and chaos! More and more vaccine-hesitant people are deciding to GET the vaccine. More private businesses will soon be mandating vaccines for their employees and customers. But, will that be soon enough - or did the VIRUS have time to gain the upper hand worldwide? Is the score now VIRUS - 3 points versus HUMANS - 1 point?

You have "long haul" effects from a virus that has only been around for 20 months?

If you say so...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I do NOT believe that Delta is LESS deadly. The recent US-wide statistics show a tripling of hospitalizations and a DOUBLING of DEATHS. Check it out. I have heard that more than once on RESPECTED TV sources. And Delta is certainly more DEADLY to young people. Check Dr. Vin Gupta.

"Respected TV sources"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Everybody always assumes the worst, what if the side effects are good? Like maybe resistance to other diseases like cancer ?

My 5G reception is much better...

But I don't know if that's because I had Covid 18 months ago, or because I've also been vaccinated...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I could NAME 10 side effects from CV. I will give 2 for right now. If hospitalized - you have a large bill. Some people will NOT be able to pay that bill. That will make everyone's insurance costs go up. 2) For every person with a case of the Delta variant, they have infected 6 to 7 people on average. Before Delta, it was about 3.

You keep throwing out RANDOM statistics...

Ever CONSIDER providing a SOURCE for any of THEM?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is a GREAT point! I did not think of that. That shows the value of a wide-ranging discussion in a forum for a life and death topic. TVLanders want knowledge!

Oh, God... Now we'll have a deluge of posts opining about all of the POSSIBLE good SIDE effects...

[Byte1]

Interesting how the OP started with the possible long term side effects of the vaccine, and everyone wants to talk about the effects of the virus itself.
Of course, the vaccine has saved lives. That's a no-brainer. This is not a debate on whether or not the vaccine worked. It is about possible long term side effects.
My only concern was/is what the long term effects might be to children. Children have weathered this pandemic pretty well, over all. My suggestion has been that since they mostly seem to be handling the virus well, why subject them to something that may or may not be necessary. Is it really expedient that they should be vaccinated right this instant? My question is, can this wait until we know more about how this vaccine works with the other vaccines they have bombarded upon them at their early age. What might not have a long term effect on us "old" folks, might cause some long term side effects to them. Just wondering and speculating. I value my grandkids very much and hate to see a hasty decision made that might not be necessary. Knowing that these children have all kinds of inoculations before entering the school system, do we really know if this "new" serum will play nicely with the stuff being pumped into them already? Is there really a danger to the kids if they DON'T get the vaccination right now?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then this entire discussion is nothing but conjecture and speculation...

I couldn’t agree more…

[nhlinda]

99.4 per cent of people who contract Covid have a mild case. Only 0.6 per cent get seriously ill. Most of the people who get a serious case have some other contributing factor. Not all, but most. Even with the vaccine, some people get Covid. Big Pharma is trying to convince us that we will get less sick if we have the vaccine, but the chances of getting seriously ill are miniscule as it is. So, don't listen to Chicken Little and do the research.

Just my 2 cents.

COVID Live Update: 192,619,754 Cases and 4,138,445 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You have "long haul" effects from a virus that has only been around for 20 months?

If you say so...

You're better than that.

I am sure you are aware that long-haul effects are those that have or will cause permanent changes or damage. From the moment you get it you are destined to no cure.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Children have weathered this pandemic pretty well, over all.

Except the dead ones, and the ones with permanent lung/heart damage, and permanently compromised immune systems. They didn't weather the pandemic so great.

My suggestion has been that since they mostly seem to be handling the virus well, why subject them to something that may or may not be necessary. Is it really expedient that they should be vaccinated right this instant?

Yeah let's wait to see if they get sick and die in the next year from the current new strain, and future new strains. If they don't get sick and die, then we can uh - not vaccinate them since clearly they've weathered the pandemic. If they get sick and die, then uh - I guess we probably should've vaccinated them. Ooops.

I'll compare your reasoning to drowning women to see if they're witches. If they float, they're witches and you can execute them. If they're not witches, they'll drown. Woops.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You're better than that.

I am sure you are aware that long-haul effects are those that have or will cause permanent changes or damage. From the moment you get it you are destined to no cure.

“The term “long haulers” may be misleading due to its association with long-term, life-altering symptoms. Researchers are unclear just how long these symptoms can last. At least 2 percent of patients in the study had symptoms lasting more than 12 weeks. More studies are needed to determine the longevity.”

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Swoop

“The term “long haulers” may be misleading due to its association with long-term, life-altering symptoms. Researchers are unclear just how long these symptoms can last. At least 2 percent of patients in the study had symptoms lasting more than 12 weeks. More studies are needed to determine the longevity.”

Permanent lung damage is permanent. Permanent heart damage is permanent.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You're better than that.

I am sure you are aware that long-haul effects are those that have or will cause permanent changes or damage. From the moment you get it you are destined to no cure.

Such as?

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Well, you are not right to begin with, there are some long term side affects from most vaccinations. Some we don't even learn about for years sometimes decades.

And you added the word "serious" to my reply. The thread asked if there was likely to be long term side affects, the answer is yes. Will they be serious, I personally doubt it. The rDNA vaccines are build on a very strong foundation of research and experience.

Your opinion might hold true for drugs, which can build up in the body and remain for years, but vaccines are a different story. Vaccines are designed to deliver a payload then are quickly eliminated from the body.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Permanent lung damage is permanent. Permanent heart damage is permanent.

Much of the "permanent lung damage" was due to patients being put on respirators...

Remember Cuomo demanding more respirators and having them sit, unused?

Doctors quickly realized that most patients didn't need them and that they were causing more harm...