[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by PugMom

look past the dirty pics & you'll see what the op meant for you to find, lol. (some sites will use anything to earn a click.) on the topic: i am concerned about this spike protein that the shot contains. NIH website compared it to the prion diseases currently known to man. it doesnt sound good. i am still not vaccinated & have no plans to do so. i did however need to take a covid test before being admitted to the hospital, & that came up negative. so yes, there are some like me that can go to so-called super-spreader events, hug, kiss or dance & still not be affected. imo, FEAR is the word.

Well, don't be "concerned about this spike protein that the shot contains.", since it does not contain the spike protein. It is a mRNA vaccine that CODES for production of the spike protein that our immune systems recognize as foreign and raise antibodies against.

It also has nothing whatsoever to do with prion disease, so you're not getting Creutzfeldt-Jacob or Kuru from the vaccine. If you are very, very fat you might get BSE

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Interesting that the article mentioned “history suggests that there will be no long effects” when there is no history of this type of “vaccine”.

This technology had its beginnings 30 years ago and all started with a Hungarian scientist.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid

The technology has been used to develop vaccines for other viruses including Zika virus and also for use in treating cancer............

Moderna’s Zika Virus Vaccine Data Supports COVID-19 Vaccine Approach | BioSpace

I've said this before, this technology is not a new kid on the block. Once scientists around the world were given the Covid virus sequence from China, then the technology was put to good use. We have several vaccines for Covid and the mRNA vaccines seem to be the vaccines with the least amount of issues. So far so good with these mRNA vaccines.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Completely different delivery system. Apples and sledgehammers different. The only similarity is the word vaccine…

Agree......the technologies are completely different. The mRNA vaccines have, so far, not been prone to many adverse side effects that the traditional vaccines have suffered from. mRNA technology is borne of modern technology and so far has been performing better than they ever expected. The scientists have been down right giddy over the performance of these mRNA vaccines.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

One short term side effect is that it causes the same people to post the same thing over and over and over again..

I have a feeling that will also become a "long term" side effect...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

The stem of the virus is mutating .... will likely require another vaccine .... 35% of vaccinated people can now get the virus ... Gottlieb says it is 1000 more likely to spread than the original. Two minute exposure is enough. Oh well

I KNEW I had seen one of our tried and true physicians claim this Delta variant is 1000 (ONE THOUSAND) times more transmissible than the original Covid-19 virus. Yes, it was Dr. Scott Gotlieb.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This needs to be said again. Thank you Boomer.

Considering the Delta variant is 1000 (ONE THOUSAND) times more transmissible than the original Covid-19 virus, chances are really good that an un-vaccinated person will contract the virus. In fact, I saw one resident physicians on MSM stated very confidently that anyone not vaccinated or has not been infected with Covid, WILL contract the Delta variant eventually.

It's a crap shoot. All un-vaccinated folks have to ask themselves, "Will I be a lucky one if I get this virus?"

This is a prime example of not understanding what you're reading...

The study stated the=at the Delta Variant may cause the infected person to carry 1000 Xs "the viral load"...

NOT that it is 1000 Xs more transmissible...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

But hardly “long term”. How may class action suits have be brought against manufacturers of products or drugs years after they were released because of the adverse long term effects? nRMA vaccines haven’t been around long enough to have that data compiled.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, we get it. Your words have not fallen on deaf ears. However, the risk of the disease far outweighs the risk of being vaccinated. That is the reason millions of people world wide have made the choice to be vaccinated. The choice is made not only for one's own safety but for the good of the community to stop this damn virus and its variants in its tracks.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Brain damage has been found in young, asymptomatic children from CV.

Any actual proof of this?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Even something that was approved in 46 countries (Thalidomide) can cause unexpected consequences. It is very possible this will as well. Probability now is that government and social media czars will censor any knowledge of the consequences.
Each individual must weight the pros and cons and decide for themselves.

When J&J vaccine had issues with blood clots in younger women, was that censored from the public? No. In fact, a hold was placed on the roll out of the vaccine until it could be investigated. As we all know, the roll out of J&J vaccine was resumed once it was determined that the risk of the disease is worse than the minimal risk of the blood clots which are treatable.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Any actual proof of this?

Probably not, but possible. However, I'm sure it is 100% true that "brain damage" has been found on TOTV

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Probably not, but possible. However, I'm sure it is 100% true that "brain damage" has been found on TOTV

I thought that was a given...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Agree 98%. However, I would suggest the difference in serum cholesterol is genetic----your hydroxymethylglutrylCoAreductase is less productive than hers.

OK GE.....Just stop with those big words just to make yourself seem smarter than the rest of us. LOL

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

OK GE.....Just stop with those big words just to make yourself seem smarter than the rest of us. LOL

But, but, but..... I like my "big words" almost as much as I like my rolling laughing little men

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There are WAY more long-term issues to be FEARED from being unvaccinated than being vaccinated. You have recorded long-haul effects of the VIRUS. You have possible death! You have large hospital bills from long stays. The unvaccinated are allowing more and more deadly variants to mutate and take over. The unvaccinated are putting the US and world ECONOMY at risk. The unvaccinated have already destabilized US society by creating division and chaos! More and more vaccine-hesitant people are deciding to GET the vaccine. More private businesses will soon be mandating vaccines for their employees and customers. But, will that be soon enough - or did the VIRUS have time to gain the upper hand worldwide? Is the score now VIRUS - 3 points versus HUMANS - 1 point?

You get no argument from me about any of what you have stated in this post. I started this thread, NOT because I was bored as another poster had asked me, but to have this stimulating conversation that has prevailed.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

If three times as many are being hospitalized and only twice as many are dying then it is less deadly.

But, that is NOT to say it is not deadly. Also, there is a case to be made that when no one was vaccinated more died than since there are so many vacinated.

I'm not so sure that is correct. The medical community knows more about this virus today than when this pandemic first hit us like a ton of bricks. There are treatments for the disease now that were not available when the first wave of people were dying of Covid-19.