[Mulliganguy]

imo an individual player should not be allowed more than one tee time a day on executive courses. System should kick out resident #’s entered more than once in a 24 hour period!

[rockyhyder]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

For the executive courses, make your feelings known at a PWAC or AAC meeting and possibly also at a SLCDD or VCCDD meeting.

PWAC and AAC are advisory boards with resident members.
SLCDD and VCCDD are developer-elected boards which actually control the amenities

Any necessary actions need to be taken by the SLCDD or VCCDD but the PWAC and AAC can advise the xxCDD to take those actions.

Bill is absolutely correct. PWAC(South of 466) and AAC(North of 466) are responsible for amenities in their respective areas. These Committees can address fixes that require budgetary changes like overseeding, etc. The VCCDD and SLCDD will have to address changes that involve personnel.

[NJRICHARD]

Played Sandhill yesterday. This course was completely renovated last year and is in very poor condition. Overuse does not cause weeds everywhere, the greens looked like they had a fungus, and the fairways were in very poor condition. I was told there is a 'new' manager taking care of the executive courses and the first thing that came into my mind was this the lowest bidder? There is a science taking care of golf courses and I wonder if this group received a D on their report cards ?

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by Jdasta

The creator of WingNut, has answered the question about the golf courses several times. There is a fungal disease. They are fighting it, but it spreads on shoes and mower equipment from one course to the other. Those who have had fungal problems with their lawns know that many times the lawn needs to be resodded and the top layer of soil removed, because the fungus is in the soil. We had fungal problems with our lawn when we were in Georgia. We had it resodded, but it eventually came back. It is a horrible problem. It will take a long time and cost a lot to fix the problem.
The developer is responsible only for those courses he has not yet released. To fix other golf courses, the monies will have to come from amenity fees in those districts.

From my first response from Howard Brown:

"As for Tarpon we are not sure why some of the greens are in worse conditions than others. We have sent soil samples out to check it there is a disease and we have not gotten the results back."

Got another response today that included the following.

"I agree it would be great to find a way to let people know about course maintenance, some of the things we do and why the courses are in the condition they are in. Unfortunately, we only respond and communicate with people who contact us and ask questions mainly due to staffing. Up until three months ago we only had 2 supervisors to manage the District’s 38 courses. We just hired 2 more supervisors so hopefully we can start being a little more proactive in getting the word out."

This is Howard.Brown@districtgov.org

Here's hoping that the meeting tomorrow morning at the Savannah Rec proves fruitful.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

From my first response from Howard Brown:

"As for Tarpon we are not sure why some of the greens are in worse conditions than others. We have sent soil samples out to check it there is a disease and we have not gotten the results back."

Got another response today that included the following.

"I agree it would be great to find a way to let people know about course maintenance, some of the things we do and why the courses are in the condition they are in. Unfortunately, we only respond and communicate with people who contact us and ask questions mainly due to staffing. Up until three months ago we only had 2 supervisors to manage the District’s 38 courses. We just hired 2 more supervisors so hopefully we can start being a little more proactive in getting the word out."

This is Howard.Brown@districtgov.org

Here's hoping that the meeting tomorrow morning at the Savannah Rec proves fruitful.

I see no reason why this offer from Howard wouldn't extend to all here.

"If you are interested in learning more about the golf courses and some of the things that we do, I can get you in touch with one of my Superintendents and they could answer any questions, they love to educate people on golf course management and are pretty good at it. If you would like I can arrange for you to spend a morning shadowing them during one of our scheduled course closures and you could actually see what they do and observe all the moving parts of getting course ready for play.



In the meantime, please feel free to contact or call me if you have any questions or concerns about the courses. My cell phone number is 352-661-4291."

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Mulliganguy

imo an individual player should not be allowed more than one tee time a day on executive courses. System should kick out resident #’s entered more than once in a 24 hour period!

Respectfully disagree. Imo all Golfers should be allowed 18 holes per day. Singles can be added to groups of 2 or 3 after their first 9 holes on a "walk-up" basis at any course they choose.
No one should be penalized for wanting to play.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by DoreenH

There is a meeting on Wednesday March 6 at 9:00am at the Savannah Rec Center. Some people are going there to talk to the AAC governing group about the bad condition of the Executive courses. They don't want to cause trouble; just make their opinions known. The more people that attend, the better the message will be!

What district is holding this meeting? Courses closest to the Savannah Center are some of the best conditioned courses in TV

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by LarryL

encourage all priority golfers to cancel, telling them that they raised the cost and ruined the courses at the same time! Totally unacceptable!

Priority golfers(now known as Enhanced) have 0 bearing on this problem. Most of the problems involve courses that were taken over by the Districts(AKA residents of TV)

[Rita@1]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Want to improve conditions on the executive courses ? Decrease demand :
1 - Build more executive courses in the south
2 - Have them lower the high season prices on the championship courses !

Overplay causes ball marks, scuffing, etc.. There-is-no-grass on these greens. They are dead. It's been allowed to die. This is due to a horrific lack of maintenance and treatment. Some of the greens need to be bulldozed and restarted from scratch. Homeowners should be screaming bloody murder.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by alwann

Take a page from the political folks. Put signs on your golf carts saying "Golf Courses Here, Yuck," and then parade around the sales centers. We'd probably be cited for violating some law or rule, but the news people from Ocala, Leesburg and Orlando could have an interest in the story. It's doubtful whether our local paper would.

Hmmm…..might also scare away prospective buyers & renters thus keeping golfing population growth here a bit more stable??? Unintended consequences.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

Hmmm…..might also scare away prospective buyers & renters thus keeping golfing population growth here a bit more stable??? Unintended consequences.

Plus falling home values?

[SHIBUMI]

Solution: raise the green fees 5$ and raise the rec fee 10$. Hire 1 qualified superintendent for every Championship Course and 1 qualified superintendent for every 4-5 executive courses. To properly care for a golf course you need one good set of agronomy eyes on the ground all the time. Small increase will create great value in better conditions and higher home values.
Win-Win.

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

There have been many threads this spring about the deplorable exec and champ course conditions. In my experience, the executives are worse than they’ve been in the last few years, the champs are as bad as the have been historically (albeit not good, just about the same as the last few years). For example, Havana has been bad the last few years.

WHAT DO WE (as residents) DO?
email the paper?
Email someone in the developer’s org?
Email someone in the districts org (or some other home owner org)?

We should be coordinated;; i.e. the same message to the same group of people.

Any ideas?

[biker1]

Again, there is no arbitrary raising of the rec (aka amenities) fee. The increases are tied to the CPI.

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Solution: raise the green fees 5$ and raise the rec fee 10$. Hire 1 qualified superintendent for every Championship Course and 1 qualified superintendent for every 4-5 executive courses. To properly care for a golf course you need one good set of agronomy eyes on the ground all the time. Small increase will create great value in better conditions and higher home values.
Win-Win.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Solution: raise the green fees 5$ and raise the rec fee 10$. Hire 1 qualified superintendent for every Championship Course and 1 qualified superintendent for every 4-5 executive courses. To properly care for a golf course you need one good set of agronomy eyes on the ground all the time. Small increase will create great value in better conditions and higher home values.
Win-Win.

I agree with hiring better maintenance personnel, but as per post #23, I think the money is already there for champ courses without raising fees further. Probably for execs as well, but the problem with raising the amenity fee is that not everyone plays golf. Perhaps raising the trail fee if needed? Besides, $10/month x 70,000 homes = $8.4 million/year---doubt it would cost that much

[Beyond The Wall]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Which brings up another point I've made before. Florida law may prevent communities from regulating short term rentals, but The Villages are under no obligation whatsoever to give guest passes to STRs. Would reduce the problem in a hurry. (Yes, I realize that it is technically not a guest pass but a transfer of owner ID, but no reason that couldn't be changed to exclude rentals of less than 1 month)

I feel it’s the current number of courses, as well as the poor maintenance. Who needs 3 or 4 or 5 Pitch and Putts! No one ever request them. They are the last resort just to play. Developer just keeps adding people without amenities! Pickleball courts are starting to feel the pressure also. Look for more Disc Golf! Cheaper to maintain .
As far as restricting guest passes; try and get a tee time with a guest. You will be playing a Pitch and putt!
The length of rental should not be a factor. Need more courses. Convert 2 Pand Ps to exc