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-   -   How do we stop the addition of Pitch and Putt courses? (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/executive-courses-villages-golf-course-conditions-472/how-do-we-stop-addition-pitch-putt-courses-338401/)

JMintzer 01-23-2023 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2179095)
Another thread that triggers those that are worried about their property values in the north. The south is the modern, new design. Better, newer, and exciting with each new addition. Those that point out that the latest retirees are looking for more than just golf are absolutely correct.
Wut?

JMintzer 01-23-2023 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2179109)
I agree about the golf. It is becoming passe quite quickly.
Except it's not...

Access Denied

JMintzer 01-23-2023 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 2179134)
The pitch and putt courses cost less to maintain and don't have to be maintained in as good of condition as other courses. The Villages doesn't listen to anyone, They do what they want and they do what will benefit them. As long as they can offer "FREE" Golf, they will do it as inexpensively as possible.
While I agree with your initial point, the fact that they are building so many executive and championship courses goes against your second point...

JMintzer 01-23-2023 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyperup (Post 2179170)
There are NO executive courses south of the 44 we pay the same amenities fee???? What are they thinking? Totally not good idea and no sign up at 44 and Morse feels very much separate from the rest of The Villages. Friends do not want to buy here because of it.
There are at least 5 of them...

Red Fox
Gray Fox
Lowlands
Loblolly
Longleaf

gighilton 01-24-2023 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dcurrie911 (Post 2178336)
Three pitch and putt courses south of 44. These courses are the last to get booked which is a clear indicator that they are least desirable for home owners. This activity of building non-desirable pitch and putt courses south of 44 continues to put pressure on executive courses north of 44. How do we stop this bad behavior? I sent a mail to villages.com but wonder if there is a better way.

Dan
"Bad Behavior", what is your problem? If this is all you can find to complain about, your shouldn't be here.

Rainger99 01-24-2023 08:40 AM
Originally Posted by Pyperup View Post
There are NO executive courses south of the 44 we pay the same amenities fee???? What are they thinking? Totally not good idea and no sign up at 44 and Morse feels very much separate from the rest of The Villages. Friends do not want to buy here because of it.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2179193)
There are at least 5 of them...

Red Fox
Gray Fox
Lowlands
Loblolly
Longleaf
I think he meant there are no executive courses south of 44 and north of the Turnpike. All of the ones that you mentioned are south of 44 and south of the Turnpike.

If you live in Chitty Chatty, Bradford, Hawkins, Cason Hammock, St. Catherines, and Citrus Grove, it is difficult to get to these courses by golf cart. To get to the ones south of the Turnpike by golf cart takes a long time as you have to go up to Water Lily Bridge and then back down to the courses. This is about 10 miles depending on where you live.

If you look at a map of The Villages, it appears that every home north of 44 and every home south of the Turnpike is within a mile, or at most two miles, of an executive course. There are 13 north of 466; there are 16 between 466 and 466A; there are 6 south of 466A and north of 44; there are 0 between 44 and the Turnpike, and there are 5 south of the Turnpike.

jimjamuser 01-24-2023 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2179164)
And watch the houses flood during the next big storm (that you insist we will see on an ever increasing frequency...)

The golf courses serve an important function for flood control...
So from that last sentence I am SUPPOSED to believe that the larger, longer than Pitch and Putt golf courses, that have had MORE trees removed for fairway grass are going to be better for flood control than the less tree REMOVAL for Pitch and Putt. Somehow I can't believe that. That would mean that the small roots of grass would prevent FLOODING better than the large roots of trees.
.........I HAVE actually removed the roots of a LARGE tree and it was much harder than the removal of the grassroots. So I LOGICALLY concluded that tree roots would RESIST water flooding better than grassroots. And in the event of a flood, the trees' leaves would help evaporate the water while the grassroots would be UNDERWATER.

jimjamuser 01-24-2023 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2179171)
The are not cutting down many trees to build golf courses in TV. They are building them on old cow pastures...

In fact, they are bending over backwards to PRESERVE the trees they have, since they ADD to the golf course. Not only in beauty, but in making them more challenging...

If you watch the most recent "Living the Dream" regarding the new golf courses, or if you had any clue about actually playing the game or designing a golf course, you'd know that...

To your other RANDOM points... They have nothing to do with golf... Frankly, I'm surprised you didn't add "the death of the coral reefs" to your post!
My point about the world's forests was PERFECTLY valid in this thread because the main point of the thread is whether to emphasis large long golf courses or smaller Pitch and Putts. And it doesn't matter about the Villages purchasing "old cow pastures" because we are talking about what they DO with them AFTER they purchase them.........they THEN have a choice of building Pitch and Putts INSTEAD of longer courses and then using the additional acreage to then plant MORE trees and make something like a wilderness walking path or a park with lots of trees. TV Land may have enough LONG golf courses and NEED more actual NATURE available for the Villagers to USE and APPRECIATE. There is a choice and a tradeoff........for example a PARK is less expensive to MAINTAIN than a GOLF course. More people would use the PARK.

laboutj 01-24-2023 11:18 AM
This thread was 20 minutes of my life that I won't get back. Elements of 'north versus south', 'elitist golfers', 'money grubbing developer' and 'save the earth'. And nothing that anyone that has commented in this thread can change. Go out and enjoy yourselves while you still can.

ORJohnny 01-24-2023 11:22 AM
Perfect!! No need to change.

John Mayes 01-24-2023 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by laboutj (Post 2179427)
This thread was 20 minutes of my life that I won't get back. Elements of 'north versus south', 'elitist golfers', 'money grubbing developer' and 'save the earth'. And nothing that anyone that has commented in this thread can change. Go out and enjoy yourselves while you still can.
LOL!! Great advice.

Papa_lecki 01-24-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by laboutj (Post 2179427)
This thread was 20 minutes of my life that I won't get back. Elements of 'north versus south', 'elitist golfers', 'money grubbing developer' and 'save the earth'. And nothing that anyone that has commented in this thread can change. Go out and enjoy yourselves while you still can.
I was thinking the same thing.

Any thread that isn’t answered after one page turns into a train wreck. I find myself coming back to TOTV much less, but I do - much the same reason people slow down for car crashes.
It’s 66 and sunny, go outside.

Bogie Shooter 01-24-2023 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by laboutj (Post 2179427)
This thread was 20 minutes of my life that I won't get back. Elements of 'north versus south', 'elitist golfers', 'money grubbing developer' and 'save the earth'. And nothing that anyone that has commented in this thread can change. Go out and enjoy yourselves while you still can.
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2179432)
I was thinking the same thing.

Any thread that isn’t answered after one page turns into a train wreck. I find myself coming back to TOTV much less, but I do - much the same reason people slow down for car crashes.
It’s 66 and sunny, go outside.
That sums it rather well……the end? I doubt it!

KeithRiz 01-24-2023 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2178443)
There is one more P&P in the planning, Live Oak. just south of Monarch Grove. Laural Oak, A new executive of planned just south of that.
Also south of Laurel Oak Executive, there will be an Executive course next to the driving range and Golf Teaching Academy all next to Central Lake in Eastport.

JMintzer 01-24-2023 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2179343)
Originally Posted by Pyperup View Post
There are NO executive courses south of the 44 we pay the same amenities fee???? What are they thinking? Totally not good idea and no sign up at 44 and Morse feels very much separate from the rest of The Villages. Friends do not want to buy here because of it.



I think he meant there are no executive courses south of 44 and north of the Turnpike. All of the ones that you mentioned are south of 44 and south of the Turnpike.

If you live in Chitty Chatty, Bradford, Hawkins, Cason Hammock, St. Catherines, and Citrus Grove, it is difficult to get to these courses by golf cart. To get to the ones south of the Turnpike by golf cart takes a long time as you have to go up to Water Lily Bridge and then back down to the courses. This is about 10 miles depending on where you live.

If you look at a map of The Villages, it appears that every home north of 44 and every home south of the Turnpike is within a mile, or at most two miles, of an executive course. There are 13 north of 466; there are 16 between 466 and 466A; there are 6 south of 466A and north of 44; there are 0 between 44 and the Turnpike, and there are 5 south of the Turnpike.
And, if you look at that same map, you'll see that most of the houses in the villages you mentioned are built on a relatively narrow sliver of land, east of Morse, with the exception of where they built the Championship course.

There simply wasn't enough square footage to build the traditional executive courses, surrounded by homes...


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