[The Gazette]

Villagers should be advised of upcoming work at various gates throughout The Villages this month.* The work will begin at 8 p.m, with traffic controls set up for specific lanes impacted by closures.* The schedule for work is as follows:* Tuesday, May 23 (8 p.m. until 8 a.m.) Charlotte — visitor entry Collier South —

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[rsmurano]

I was going to report on this. We almost got hit in our golf cart by a black Chevy suv not stopping at a down gate entrance. They had a stop sign and ignored it. These people aren’t the only drivers that don’t stop for a gatekess entrance when there is a stop sign right there. Hope their insurance is up to date and has a high value because if I ever get hit by a person that doesn’t stop, an Orlando vehicle attorney will be involved to get the max out of the wrongdoer. I hate these ambulance chaser attorneys but I hate stop sign runners and the people who don’t know how to navigate roundabouts

[waltwl]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I was going to report on this. We almost got hit in our golf cart by a black Chevy suv not stopping at a down gate entrance. They had a stop sign and ignored it. These people aren’t the only drivers that don’t stop for a gatekess entrance when there is a stop sign right there. Hope their insurance is up to date and has a high value because if I ever get hit by a person that doesn’t stop, an Orlando vehicle attorney will be involved to get the max out of the wrongdoer. I hate these ambulance chaser attorneys but I hate stop sign runners and the people who don’t know how to navigate roundabouts

You also have a stop sign

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I was going to report on this. We almost got hit in our golf cart by a black Chevy suv not stopping at a down gate entrance. They had a stop sign and ignored it. These people aren’t the only drivers that don’t stop for a gatekess entrance when there is a stop sign right there. Hope their insurance is up to date and has a high value because if I ever get hit by a person that doesn’t stop, an Orlando vehicle attorney will be involved to get the max out of the wrongdoer. I hate these ambulance chaser attorneys but I hate stop sign runners and the people who don’t know how to navigate roundabouts

That's an every day occurrence. Some come off the roundabout never slowing down when they enter it and have no intention of slowing down. All you can do is drive defensively because rules don't apply to everyone here in the villages.

[rogerrice60]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I was going to report on this. We almost got hit in our golf cart by a black Chevy suv not stopping at a down gate entrance. They had a stop sign and ignored it. These people aren’t the only drivers that don’t stop for a gatekess entrance when there is a stop sign right there. Hope their insurance is up to date and has a high value because if I ever get hit by a person that doesn’t stop, an Orlando vehicle attorney will be involved to get the max out of the wrongdoer. I hate these ambulance chaser attorneys but I hate stop sign runners and the people who don’t know how to navigate roundabouts

Golf carts should STOP AND LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE STREET.
Personal responsibility!

[Maker]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I was going to report on this. We almost got hit in our golf cart by a black Chevy suv not stopping at a down gate entrance. They had a stop sign and ignored it. These people aren’t the only drivers that don’t stop for a gatekess entrance when there is a stop sign right there. Hope their insurance is up to date and has a high value because if I ever get hit by a person that doesn’t stop, an Orlando vehicle attorney will be involved to get the max out of the wrongdoer. I hate these ambulance chaser attorneys but I hate stop sign runners and the people who don’t know how to navigate roundabouts

The law is very clear on this, and OP is confused about who has the right of way. Pulling a golf cart in front of a vehicle is illegal, and can get you killed. The vehicle has the right of way in all circumstances when a cart is trying to enter a roadway.

The stop sign on the ground is not a legal traffic control device. It's just a suggestion. Even if it was a legal stop, the golf cart still cannot pull in front of the vehicle.
Vehicles have the right of way 100% of the time over a golf cart. Golf cart must stop and wait until the path is totally clear. Even if that takes a hour. That applies at gate areas, as well as when the cart lane ends, actually everywhere.
Gate arms do not permit a cart to enter a roadway under the impression that vehicles stopping there must do everything to avoid hitting the cart. Assuming the vehicle must yield is incorrect.
If an accident happens when a golf cart moves into the path of a vehicle, the golf cart is 100% at fault, 100% of the time.
Golf cart pulling in front of a vehicle has broken the law if it causes the vehicle to have to do anything (swerve, brake, stop, slow down, change lanes) to avoid a collision or to maintain safe operation of the vehicle. Cart driver can be given a ticket.

Who must yield?
The car has established legal use of the roadway because they are already traveling on that roadway. They do not yield to carts that have NOT established legal use of the roadway.
Golf cart at a gate crossing has NOT established legal use of the roadway. Must yield to vehicles for as long as it takes to either cross or enter the roadway without impeding vehicles.
Golf cart reaching the end of a cart lane has NOT established legal use of the roadway. Must yield to vehicles for as long as it takes to enter the roadway without impeding vehicles. The "roadway" here means the lane where vehicles travel.

Examples:

A cart (on an off road path) is patiently waiting for a vehicle to stop at a gate. Cart crosses the road. Vehicle pulls past the gate and hits the cart. Who is at fault? The cart. Cart failed to yield the right of way and had no right to be in the roadway. Cart driver is responsible for all damages and injuries.

Cart is on a village road with a narrow cart lane on the right that is ending in 50ft. Cart is 100ft ahead of a vehicle approaching from behind. As they reach the end of the cart lane, the cart moves into the vehicle lane, perhaps 40ft ahead of the vehicle. Vehicle, traveling 10mph faster, has to apply the brakes to avoid hitting the cart. Police officer observes this happen. Who gets a ticket? The cart driver gets the ticket because they took an action that could have led to an accident with the vehicle. It will be a failure to yield ticket because the cart shall not pull in front of a vehicle. The cart has not established legal use of the roadway and is 100% at fault.

Cart is traveling on a roadway, either in the cart lane if there is one, or in the lane if no cart lane. At a side street, or parking lot driveway, a vehicle pulls out into the path of the cart. An accident, or near accident happens. Police officer observes this happen. Who gets a ticket? The vehicle driver because the cart has established legal use of the roadway and has no obligation to yield to a vehicle.

[JMintzer]

Soooo... What's the over/under on the responses to the above post?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

I was going to report on this. We almost got hit in our golf cart by a black Chevy suv not stopping at a down gate entrance. They had a stop sign and ignored it. These people aren’t the only drivers that don’t stop for a gatekess entrance when there is a stop sign right there. Hope their insurance is up to date and has a high value because if I ever get hit by a person that doesn’t stop, an Orlando vehicle attorney will be involved to get the max out of the wrongdoer. I hate these ambulance chaser attorneys but I hate stop sign runners and the people who don’t know how to navigate roundabouts

When a gate is damaged and they put up a stop sign, very few drivers will actually stop. They may slow down, but they won't stop. That has been my experience. I have also noticed that, when they leave the gates in the up position for a storm, they don't even put up a stop sign.

[justjim]

Golf carts beware when a gate is down. I don’t agree that a stop sign for a car is only a suggestion. Really! Anyway, you can be 100% right in a golf cart and be seriously injured or at worst dead. Be careful out there when a gate is down. No amount of money is enough when you are seriously injured even when you are right. A golf cart collision with a car is a losing situation.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Maker

The law is very clear on this, and OP is confused about who has the right of way. Pulling a golf cart in front of a vehicle is illegal, and can get you killed. The vehicle has the right of way in all circumstances when a cart is trying to enter a roadway.

The stop sign on the ground is not a legal traffic control device. It's just a suggestion. Even if it was a legal stop, the golf cart still cannot pull in front of the vehicle.
Vehicles have the right of way 100% of the time over a golf cart. Golf cart must stop and wait until the path is totally clear. Even if that takes a hour. That applies at gate areas, as well as when the cart lane ends, actually everywhere.
Gate arms do not permit a cart to enter a roadway under the impression that vehicles stopping there must do everything to avoid hitting the cart. Assuming the vehicle must yield is incorrect.
If an accident happens when a golf cart moves into the path of a vehicle, the golf cart is 100% at fault, 100% of the time.
Golf cart pulling in front of a vehicle has broken the law if it causes the vehicle to have to do anything (swerve, brake, stop, slow down, change lanes) to avoid a collision or to maintain safe operation of the vehicle. Cart driver can be given a ticket.

Who must yield?
The car has established legal use of the roadway because they are already traveling on that roadway. They do not yield to carts that have NOT established legal use of the roadway.
Golf cart at a gate crossing has NOT established legal use of the roadway. Must yield to vehicles for as long as it takes to either cross or enter the roadway without impeding vehicles.
Golf cart reaching the end of a cart lane has NOT established legal use of the roadway. Must yield to vehicles for as long as it takes to enter the roadway without impeding vehicles. The "roadway" here means the lane where vehicles travel.

Examples:

A cart (on an off road path) is patiently waiting for a vehicle to stop at a gate. Cart crosses the road. Vehicle pulls past the gate and hits the cart. Who is at fault? The cart. Cart failed to yield the right of way and had no right to be in the roadway. Cart driver is responsible for all damages and injuries.

Cart is on a village road with a narrow cart lane on the right that is ending in 50ft. Cart is 100ft ahead of a vehicle approaching from behind. As they reach the end of the cart lane, the cart moves into the vehicle lane, perhaps 40ft ahead of the vehicle. Vehicle, traveling 10mph faster, has to apply the brakes to avoid hitting the cart. Police officer observes this happen. Who gets a ticket? The cart driver gets the ticket because they took an action that could have led to an accident with the vehicle. It will be a failure to yield ticket because the cart shall not pull in front of a vehicle. The cart has not established legal use of the roadway and is 100% at fault.

Cart is traveling on a roadway, either in the cart lane if there is one, or in the lane if no cart lane. At a side street, or parking lot driveway, a vehicle pulls out into the path of the cart. An accident, or near accident happens. Police officer observes this happen. Who gets a ticket? The vehicle driver because the cart has established legal use of the roadway and has no obligation to yield to a vehicle.

Interesting, what's the source? (Are you an attorney, LEO or ?)

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Maker

The law is very clear on this, and OP is confused about who has the right of way.

The stop sign on the ground is not a legal traffic control device. It's just a suggestion.

Per the US Department of Transportation, a stop sign needs to be 7 feet above the curb to be legal. Those on the ground are not legal stop signs.

[NobodyCares]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Interesting, what's the source? (Are you an attorney, LEO or ?)

I’m betting LEO - reads like a police report.

[huge-pigeons]

Originally Posted by Maker

The law is very clear on this, and OP is confused about who has the right of way. Pulling a golf cart in front of a vehicle is illegal, and can get you killed. The vehicle has the right of way in all circumstances when a cart is trying to enter a roadway.

The stop sign on the ground is not a legal traffic control device. It's just a suggestion. Even if it was a legal stop, the golf cart still cannot pull in front of the vehicle.
Vehicles have the right of way 100% of the time over a golf cart. Golf cart must stop and wait until the path is totally clear. Even if that takes a hour. That applies at gate areas, as well as when the cart lane ends, actually everywhere.
Gate arms do not permit a cart to enter a roadway under the impression that vehicles stopping there must do everything to avoid hitting the cart. Assuming the vehicle must yield is incorrect.
If an accident happens when a golf cart moves into the path of a vehicle, the golf cart is 100% at fault, 100% of the time.
Golf cart pulling in front of a vehicle has broken the law if it causes the vehicle to have to do anything (swerve, brake, stop, slow down, change lanes) to avoid a collision or to maintain safe operation of the vehicle. Cart driver can be given a ticket.

Who must yield?
The car has established legal use of the roadway because they are already traveling on that roadway. They do not yield to carts that have NOT established legal use of the roadway.
Golf cart at a gate crossing has NOT established legal use of the roadway. Must yield to vehicles for as long as it takes to either cross or enter the roadway without impeding vehicles.
Golf cart reaching the end of a cart lane has NOT established legal use of the roadway. Must yield to vehicles for as long as it takes to enter the roadway without impeding vehicles. The "roadway" here means the lane where vehicles travel.

Examples:

A cart (on an off road path) is patiently waiting for a vehicle to stop at a gate. Cart crosses the road. Vehicle pulls past the gate and hits the cart. Who is at fault? The cart. Cart failed to yield the right of way and had no right to be in the roadway. Cart driver is responsible for all damages and injuries.

Cart is on a village road with a narrow cart lane on the right that is ending in 50ft. Cart is 100ft ahead of a vehicle approaching from behind. As they reach the end of the cart lane, the cart moves into the vehicle lane, perhaps 40ft ahead of the vehicle. Vehicle, traveling 10mph faster, has to apply the brakes to avoid hitting the cart. Police officer observes this happen. Who gets a ticket? The cart driver gets the ticket because they took an action that could have led to an accident with the vehicle. It will be a failure to yield ticket because the cart shall not pull in front of a vehicle. The cart has not established legal use of the roadway and is 100% at fault.

Cart is traveling on a roadway, either in the cart lane if there is one, or in the lane if no cart lane. At a side street, or parking lot driveway, a vehicle pulls out into the path of the cart. An accident, or near accident happens. Police officer observes this happen. Who gets a ticket? The vehicle driver because the cart has established legal use of the roadway and has no obligation to yield to a vehicle.

We don’t live in a 3rd world country here. I talked to a local law enforcement individual and he told me the stop sign at the gate is legal and he never heard of a so-called “suggested stop sign” as you call it. So if you are a driver of a car and decide I’m not going to obey this suggested stop sign and plow into a cart or say a bicyclist, or a walker, and kill someone, you will probably be charged with manslaughter. Check this case out:

Four people in golf cart, including two children, killed after 'drunk driver' in SUV ran stop sign | Daily Mail Online

So when a gate attendee waves a stop sign, is that a suggested stop sign too that you don’t have to obey? How about crossing guards waving stop signs?

[Maker]

A law enforcement officer does not know every law and would not likely have learned what makes a stop sign comply with the law as an official traffic control device. Go back to your friend and ask them what are the requirements listed in statues that define an official traffic control device.

Here are a few. Things mix together to form a big picture. Taken as a collection, they form the basis for what approval needs to be done in order to put up a stop sign, its size, the location it must be placed, and the requirement for being an official sign in the traffic laws.

The undersized stop sign, placed without approval, in an invalid location, on the wrong side of the road, below the required height... is not an official traffic control device, and therefore is not legal as the basis of LEO giving out tickets. Hence they are a "suggestion" only.

Chapter 316 - 2012 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

316.008 Powers of local authorities.—
(3) No local authority shall erect or maintain any official traffic control device at any location so as to regulate the traffic on any state road unless approval in writing has first been obtained from the Department of Transportation.

316.077 Display of unauthorized signs, signals or markings.—
(1) No person shall place, maintain or display upon or in view of any highway any unauthorized sign, signal, marking or device which purports to be or is an imitation of or resembles an official traffic control device or railroad sign or signal, or which attempts to direct the movement of traffic, or which hides from view or interferes with the effectiveness of any official traffic control device or any railroad sign or signal.

316.1945 Stopping, standing, or parking prohibited in specified places.—
(1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic control device, no person shall:
(a) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
3. Within an intersection.

316.0745 Uniform signals and devices.—
(3) All official traffic control signals or official traffic control devices purchased and installed in this state by any public body or official shall conform with the manual and specifications published by the Department of Transportation pursuant to subsection (2).

https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.ne...vrsn=425f8ce_6
See section 2.39 defines sign size minimums for legal traffic control signs. (much larger than 12")

Very simple overview summary guide for meeting legal standards:
Stop Sign MUTCD Regulations - Universal Signs & Accessories

[Micki]

Originally Posted by waltwl

You also have a stop sign

Not every golf cart crossing has a stop sign. Also, someone jerk speeding off a roundabout through the entrance can come up on a golf cart very quickly.