[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

So a cop can't speed to catch up to a speeder? Can't "Lights N Siren" their way through an intersection to catch up to someone who ran a red light? They gotta sit and wait for it to turn green before they can give chase - not violating the speed limit while they do so?

They are not breaking the law by sending in a minor - an "agent of the government." They are presenting the clerk with the opportunity for them to break the law. No law against a minor TRYING to buy alcohol.

Yeah- makes perfect sense.

None of your examples are cops "breaking the law"...

They are specifically given the legal authority to exceed the speed limit and use their lights to go thru intersections (just like ambulances can and do)...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If anyone thinks a drug addict can't get drugs, I have a bridge to sell them. So let's just legalize heroin and fentanyl. They're no more addictive than alcohol, and all three of these things can kill someone who uses too much.

No more addictive that alcohol? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Yes, yes they are. They may not be as damaging (societaly, economically, etc.) as alcohol as alcohol abuse is far more prevalent, but it is certainly NOT more addictive.

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Addiction isn't a level of severity. It's an on-off toggle. Anyone can become addicted to any addictive substance, upon the very first exposure to it. There are plenty of alcoholics who became alcoholics before they finished drinking their very first drink. There are also plenty of patients who have had fentanyl prescribed and used to treat their pain, who never became addicted.

You're more likely to find similarities in "addictive personalities" than you are in "levels of severity of addictive substances."

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If anyone thinks a drug addict can't get drugs, I have a bridge to sell them. So let's just legalize heroin and fentanyl. They're no more addictive than alcohol, and all three of these things can kill someone who uses too much.

Your posts go way beyond anything I said. My comment was about wasting taxpayer money to enforce a law that they have never been able to enforce in my lifetime. Period. My posts didn't say anything about heroin, fentanyl, drugs addicts, or drunk driving. Conducting a sting operation to punish a sales clerk doesn't do anything to prevent minors from drinking alcohol. Taxpayer money should be spent wisely, not wasted on things that have never worked.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Your posts go way beyond anything I said. My comment was about wasting taxpayer money to enforce a law that they have never been able to enforce in my lifetime. Period. My posts didn't say anything about heroin, fentanyl, drugs addicts, or drunk driving. Conducting a sting operation to punish a sales clerk doesn't do anything to prevent minors from drinking alcohol. Taxpayer money should be spent wisely, not wasted on things that have never worked.

The War on Drugs is also a failure. They haven't stopped drugs from ruining the lives of millions of addicts or their families. Your comment is exactly as you say: wasting taxpayer money to enforce a law they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime.

There are LOTS of laws they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime. You seem to be stuck on this one individual law, and are ignoring the parameters you yourself have set for your part in the conversation.

Bicycles, golf carts, and cars rolling through intersections at stop signs? Speeding? Shoplifting? Mass shooting? Wife-beating? All of these things are "laws that they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime." But you don't seem to feel that THEY aren't a waste of money. Why not? Why is this one law - selling booze to minors - a waste, when the inability to enforce other laws are also not a waste?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The War on Drugs is also a failure. They haven't stopped drugs from ruining the lives of millions of addicts or their families. Your comment is exactly as you say: wasting taxpayer money to enforce a law they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime.

There are LOTS of laws they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime. You seem to be stuck on this one individual law, and are ignoring the parameters you yourself have set for your part in the conversation.

Bicycles, golf carts, and cars rolling through intersections at stop signs? Speeding? Shoplifting? Mass shooting? Wife-beating? All of these things are "laws that they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime." But you don't seem to feel that THEY aren't a waste of money. Why not? Why is this one law - selling booze to minors - a waste, when the inability to enforce other laws are also not a waste?

I'm glad you agreed with my comment. I only commented on the original post. Nothing else.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Berwin

LOL, thinking back to my youth in Texas where the drinking age was 18.

Same Kansas 3.2 beer use to jump border beings I lived close and go bar hopping in Kansas. For beer Back then Kansas was 18, Nebraska was 20, and Missouri was 2I, lived close to Kansas Nebraska Missouri lines.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The War on Drugs is also a failure. They haven't stopped drugs from ruining the lives of millions of addicts or their families. Your comment is exactly as you say: wasting taxpayer money to enforce a law they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime.

There are LOTS of laws they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime. You seem to be stuck on this one individual law, and are ignoring the parameters you yourself have set for your part in the conversation.

Bicycles, golf carts, and cars rolling through intersections at stop signs? Speeding? Shoplifting? Mass shooting? Wife-beating? All of these things are "laws that they haven't ever been able to enforce in your lifetime." But you don't seem to feel that THEY aren't a waste of money. Why not? Why is this one law - selling booze to minors - a waste, when the inability to enforce other laws are also not a waste?

Maybe the druggies need to take little responsibility? But just like smokers they rarely can stop even in their death bed.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Nordhagen

First of all, I’m not condoning liquor sales to minors. With that said, I don’t understand how law enforcement can break the law to get you to break the law. It is illegal for a minor to purchase liquor, yet they use a minor to do just that.
Sounds like entrapment.

I don’t know if they use minor but the ID cards have big clue’s the buyer underaged, the clerks are either too lazy to thoroughly check ID or get complacent?

[Dougmudge]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

What a waste of time and money. Who thinks that enforcing illegal sales to minors will stop underage drinking?

Agreed, it wont/ kids will just have to do what we did back in the day, get an adult to buy for them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I'm glad you agreed with my comment. I only commented on the original post. Nothing else.

I don't think it's a waste. Minors shouldn't be buying booze. It's against the law. Whether you agree with the law or not, it's a law. It's not merely a law, it's a law in every single state in this country. Every adult who works in a place that sells booze agrees to obey the law when they accept the job. If they aren't prepared to obey the law and card everyone who attempts to buy booze, then they shouldn't take the job. OR - they have to accept that some day, they might get caught breaking the law, and have to pay the consequences.

It's just some crazy thing that adults do, when they become adults. It's called adulting.