[waynet]

Mikeod, I don't believe them. I do not think they care even a little. This is not a new issue. It's been going on for a few years now. As stated earlier they have a captive audience. It is the same set of excuses all the time and conditions may improve for awhile but they will deteriorate again,they ALWAYS do. They seem to think we are the only courses facing challenging conditions.

[fred53]

Lets see...don't quote someone and disagree with sarcasm...got it...it's okay to attack "the man" and say they are lying, don't care, etc....hmmm...has anyone(who cares about this)actually spoken(face-to-face/not by phone or email)to "the man" about the situation or is it all hearsay? I've played quite a few of the courses(champion and exec.'s)...some pretty sad greens and fairways and some really good ones too...I've worked on a few courses(not just played)and understand some of the issues they are having...but not all...until one of you actually does a face-to-face with a person who's really in charge then you accomplish nada, nothing, nil, zip, zilch etc.

So instead of just beating the brush and fanning the flames it might be that one of you will make the big leap and find some real answers. Let us know...as for me...I'll just keep playing and shooting good scores on the poorly manicured courses....

If this offends I am sorry...really....but as you know all you need do is just complain to the site folks and they'll delete this post....and there still will be no "real" answers....just saying...

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by fred53

Lets see...don't quote someone and disagree with sarcasm...got it...it's okay to attack "the man" and say they are lying, don't care, etc....hmmm...has anyone(who cares about this)actually spoken(face-to-face/not by phone or email)to "the man" about the situation or is it all hearsay? I've played quite a few of the courses(champion and exec.'s)...some pretty sad greens and fairways and some really good ones too...I've worked on a few courses(not just played)and understand some of the issues they are having...but not all...until one of you actually does a face-to-face with a person who's really in charge then you accomplish nada, nothing, nil, zip, zilch etc.

So instead of just beating the brush and fanning the flames it might be that one of you will make the big leap and find some real answers. Let us know...as for me...I'll just keep playing and shooting good scores on the poorly manicured courses....

If this offends I am sorry...really....but as you know all you need do is just complain to the site folks and they'll delete this post....and there still will be no "real" answers....just saying...

My husband said pretty much the same thing when I asked him last night. He plays the Championship courses and plays executives with me. I said there is a thread where people are saying the greens are in awful shape. And he said, "Some are and some aren't".

There have been some pretty helpful and interesting and eye opening posts on this thread and some expected negativity from the usual folks. And some unexpected negativity. So there must be a problem. I will keep reading and learning from all of you.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by fred53

Lets see...don't quote someone and disagree with sarcasm...got it...it's okay to attack "the man" and say they are lying, don't care, etc....hmmm...has anyone(who cares about this)actually spoken(face-to-face/not by phone or email)to "the man" about the situation or is it all hearsay? I've played quite a few of the courses(champion and exec.'s)...some pretty sad greens and fairways and some really good ones too...I've worked on a few courses(not just played)and understand some of the issues they are having...but not all...until one of you actually does a face-to-face with a person who's really in charge then you accomplish nada, nothing, nil, zip, zilch etc.

So instead of just beating the brush and fanning the flames it might be that one of you will make the big leap and find some real answers. Let us know...as for me...I'll just keep playing and shooting good scores on the poorly manicured courses....

If this offends I am sorry...really....but as you know all you need do is just complain to the site folks and they'll delete this post....and there still will be no "real" answers....just saying...

No disrespect intended, but how does speaking with someone on the phone versus meeting them in person really differ when you're dealing with customer service people? They seem to have a response that they are giving out to the residents, and they'll offer the same response in person or on the phone.

I don't think the golf administration people are lying, I'm sure they would like to see the courses in good shape, but many of the residents are getting sick of the same excuses year after year. Many residents are not members of TOTV but I play golf in some large groups, and I hear the comments. The response from Administration is always challenging conditions, lack of water, heavy play, blah, blah, and yet there are other courses in the area which seem to be able to surmount these challenges quite readily. It does seem to point towards money and/or maintenance practices. When a community is marketed heavily as a golf community, but the golf courses don't measure up, of course there will be discontent among the avid golfers.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by fred53

Lets see...don't quote someone and disagree with sarcasm...got it...it's okay to attack "the man" and say they are lying, don't care, etc....hmmm...has anyone(who cares about this)actually spoken(face-to-face/not by phone or email)to "the man" about the situation or is it all hearsay? I've played quite a few of the courses(champion and exec.'s)...some pretty sad greens and fairways and some really good ones too...I've worked on a few courses(not just played)and understand some of the issues they are having...but not all...until one of you actually does a face-to-face with a person who's really in charge then you accomplish nada, nothing, nil, zip, zilch etc.

So instead of just beating the brush and fanning the flames it might be that one of you will make the big leap and find some real answers. Let us know...as for me...I'll just keep playing and shooting good scores on the poorly manicured courses....

If this offends I am sorry...really....but as you know all you need do is just complain to the site folks and they'll delete this post....and there still will be no "real" answers....just saying...

Well said. But you will soon hear that you are wrong..................

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mickey100

No disrespect intended, but how does speaking with someone on the phone versus meeting them in person really differ when you're dealing with customer service people? They seem to have a response that they are giving out to the residents, and they'll offer the same response in person or on the phone.

I don't think the golf administration people are lying, I'm sure they would like to see the courses in good shape, but many of the residents are getting sick of the same excuses year after year. Many residents are not members of TOTV but I play golf in some large groups, and I hear the comments. The response from Administration is always challenging conditions, lack of water, heavy play, blah, blah, and yet there are other courses in the area which seem to be able to surmount these challenges quite readily. It does seem to point towards money and/or maintenance practices. When a community is marketed heavily as a golf community, but the golf courses don't measure up, of course there will be discontent among the avid golfers.

I think he said "talk to the man".

Originally Posted by fred53

..until one of you actually does a face-to-face with a person who's really in charge then you accomplish nada, nothing, nil, zip, zilch etc.

So instead of just beating the brush and fanning the flames it might be that one of you will make the big leap and find some real answers. ...

Do you know who the person in charge is? Are you volunteering for the job? Seems like you've got it all figured out!

[waynet]

the names of the 2 guys in charge are on the scorecards. I have talked to one personally and the same response is given. We know there is a problem and we are trying to fix it blah,blah,blah.

[PaPaLarry]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan

I just got this response from the golf administration::

Thanks for taking the time to share your concerns and thoughts. What we are experiencing (and we are frustrated as well) is a more intense and prolonged transition period than normal. May and June will always be challenging months with transition, followed by aerfication, but this year in particular, it’s been more challenging than any we can remember. Our contractors are working diligently to return all the courses to acceptable condition ASAP, several have already made it back, and the others are well on their way. I can assure you that accountability is in full measure with our contractors. Good news, this should all be behind us soon. We appreciate your patience and support, and certainly understand your frustration and concern.

If that's the case, why not lower the price until "ALL THE COURSES RETURN TO ACCEPTABLE CONDITIONS"???????? By you explaining this, your admitting we are not getting our moneys worth!! I agree your at least trying.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I think he said "talk to the man".

Anyone who is "the man" in charge is usually going to be a customer service person in part. That is generally inherent in most management type job descriptions i.e. the ability to work with the public or the customers, in this case, the residents. I wonder how often "the Man" even gets out on the courses. He may spend the bulk of his time in the office, and has his plebes reporting to him.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Anyone who is "the man" in charge is usually going to be a customer service person in part. That is generally inherent in most management type job descriptions i.e. the ability to work with the public or the customers, in this case, the residents. I wonder how often "the Man" even gets out on the courses. He may spend the bulk of his time in the office, and has his plebes reporting to him.

"I wonder..............."
"He may...................."
It is easy to post on here and accuse people of most anything.

[graciegirl]

It's all relative.

http://www.goldenocala.com/wp-conten...-and-Fees1.pdf



What else besides the way greens are cut, the wrong kind of grass, overplay and some microorganism could be the cause, excluding the man sending his plebes out.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

"I wonder..............."
"He may...................."
It is easy to post on here and accuse people of most anything.

It is also very easy to question any part of any post

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It's all relative.

http://www.goldenocala.com/wp-conten...-and-Fees1.pdf



What else besides the way greens are cut, the wrong kind of grass, overplay and some microorganism could be the cause, excluding the man sending his plebes out.

So what are you trying to say ?????????

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

So what are you trying to say ?????????

I am trying to say

Please fix it so I don't have to hear unhappiness in this lovely place.