[rustyp]

A group request for 16 golfers is being processed tonight

- executive golf
- 16 golfers
- no guests
- group average 2.5 points per golfer / range 0 - 4 points per (as of this morning)
- preference time over course
- target time 1:00 earliest 12:00 latest 3:00
- 25 courses requested

Did we get a reservation ? Let you all know tomorrow AM.

What is your outlook ?

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by rustyp

A group request for 16 golfers is being processed tonight

- executive golf
- 16 golfers
- no guests
- group average 2.5 points per golfer / range 0 - 4 points per (as of this morning)
- preference time over course
- target time 1:00 earliest 12:00 latest 3:00
- 25 courses requested

Did we get a reservation ? Let you all know tomorrow AM.

What is your outlook ?

Too small of a time window and a 2.5 average is high during the busiest season. Limit to 2.0 and put in a wider time frame.

With 3:00 latest time, you are really saying 2:30 when you have so many players. They go by the Last foursome on latest time.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by rustyp

A group request for 16 golfers is being processed tonight

- executive golf
- 16 golfers
- no guests
- group average 2.5 points per golfer / range 0 - 4 points per (as of this morning)
- preference time over course
- target time 1:00 earliest 12:00 latest 3:00
- 25 courses requested

Did we get a reservation ? Let you all know tomorrow AM.

What is your outlook ?

16 golfers

To have an average of 2.5, (16 golfers x 2.5 = 40 total points) the breakdown would look almost like this. This only totals 39 points.

1 has 0 points
3 have 1.0 points
4 have 2.0 points
4 have 3.0 points
4 have 4.0 points

You may have too many guys playing too often to get lucky for 2.5-hour windows. Increase your available times and cut the golfers that got their rounds in already and the rest of you should be ok.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

16 golfers

To have an average of 2.5, (16 golfers x 2.5 = 40 total points) the breakdown would look almost like this. This only totals 39 points.

1 has 0 points
3 have 1.0 points
4 have 2.0 points
4 have 3.0 points
4 have 4.0 points

You may have too many guys playing too often to get lucky for 2.5-hour windows. Increase your available times and cut the golfers that got their rounds in already and the rest of you should be ok.

I've been here since 2005. I know the system inside and out. The question was not how to better the odds. The question is will this group get a tee time under these circumstances. Meant to be a live illustration of the degree of difficulty getting a tee time during high season. Hopefully gives newer members a real time example of the sensitivity of points - time window - and number of courses.

My gut instinct is this set of variables is a close call.

Footnote - your assumption about the rank order of golfers points is wrong . One golfer had 2.7 points. Others had tenths of a point also. I do appreciate your insight. In this case if this were your group trying to play a neighborhood game such as captain and crew and you could change only one variable -what would you pick ?
- remove the highest point golfers (obviously eliminate a foursome to preserve the neighborhood game format)
- extend the time window

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I've been here since 2005. I know the system inside and out. The question was not how to better the odds. The question is will this group get a tee time under these circumstances. Meant to be a live illustration of the degree of difficulty getting a tee time during high season. Hopefully gives newer members a real time example of the sensitivity of points - time window - and number of courses.

My gut instinct is this set of variables is a close call.

Footnote - your assumption about the rank order of golfers points is wrong . One golfer had 2.7 points. Others had tenths of a point also. I do appreciate your insight. In this case if this were your group trying to play a neighborhood game such as captain and crew and you could change only one variable -what would you pick ?
- remove the highest point golfers (obviously eliminate a foursome)
- extend the time window

I'm sure there were some with 2.7 and so on, but it's still 39 points, and you had 40.

To answer your follow-up question, to help the case of my group I'd do both. And we do (for all with more than 2.0). Every time.

[MrChip72]

When people do requests for 4 groups is the idea that the 4 groups will all be placed in 4 consecutive timeslots on the same course? If that's the case, I wonder how much your odds would go up if you split those groups in half and did 2 separate bookings, probably a lot I would think.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

I'm sure there were some with 2.7 and so on, but it's still 39 points, and you had 40.

To answer your follow-up question, to help the case of my group I'd do both. And we do (for all with more than 2.0). Every time.

Not what I asked - but some people can't color between the lines ever. How many courses do you put in ?

[GolfGirl122]

Points are rather high. Open up the time window by at least 2-3 hours. Add a few more courses also. Wednesday is ladies day so many courses are already busy in the morning - so the afternoon becomes crunch time. Good luck. Anxious to hear how it works out for you - hope it does!

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Not what I asked - but some people can't color between the lines ever. How many courses do you put in ?

At least 15 in most cases, sometimes more depending on which are closed for the day.

And I answered BOTH of your questions, so who is outside the lines?

[BrianL99]

If you called 100 Golf courses in the USA and requested a Prime Season, Prime Tee Time for 16 golfers ... 95 of them would laugh and 3 would hang up, thinking it was a joke and the other 2, you wouldn't want to play.

Only in The Villages, do people think they have an inalienable right to get a Tee Time for large groups of people.

The Villages should limit groups of over 8 players, to before 9 a.m. or after 2 pm, like most every other golf facility. At most private clubs, you can't even bring a guest on a Saturday or Sunday in prime season, unless it's in afternoon.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I've been here since 2005. I know the system inside and out. The question was not how to better the odds. The question is will this group get a tee time under these circumstances. Meant to be a live illustration of the degree of difficulty getting a tee time during high season. Hopefully gives newer members a real time example of the sensitivity of points - time window - and number of courses.

My gut instinct is this set of variables is a close call.

Footnote - your assumption about the rank order of golfers points is wrong . One golfer had 2.7 points. Others had tenths of a point also. I do appreciate your insight. In this case if this were your group trying to play a neighborhood game such as captain and crew and you could change only one variable -what would you pick ?
- remove the highest point golfers (obviously eliminate a foursome to preserve the neighborhood game format)
- extend the time window

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

At least 15 in most cases, sometimes more depending on which are closed for the day.

And I answered BOTH of your questions, so who is outside the lines?

You are - if you could change one variable !!!!! A line ?

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by rustyp

You are - if you could change one variable !!!!! A line ?

We change BOTH to give our group the best chance of getting tee times. If that affects your sensibilities, tough. We'll play while you sit at home and complain.

[GregP]

Originally Posted by rustyp

A group request for 16 golfers is being processed tonight

- executive golf -- no inpact
- 16 golfers -- fair
- no guests --- good
- group average 2.5 points per golfer / range 0 - 4 points per (as of this morning) --- poor
- preference time over course
- target time 1:00 earliest 12:00 latest 3:00 --- [B]poor[/B] need more time
- 25 courses requested --- excellent

Did we get a reservation ? Let you all know tomorrow AM.

What is your outlook ?

Now because of the two poor ratings I would lean towards NO, but that one excellent may give you a edge some of the 4sums may get in if their point total is below 8.

[Rwirish]

Little chance. Too small of a window and all golfers with 4 points should have been excluded.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by jayhawk

we change both to give our group the best chance of getting tee times. If that affects your sensibilities, tough. We'll play while you sit at home and complain.

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