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[biker1]

With the scenario that was presented, there is now an open spot (John's original spot).

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

What about the single hoping for an open spot?
Screwed again. 😔

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by biker1

With the scenario that was presented, there is now an open spot (John's original spot).

Then why bother to move John to Adam's spot? An opening is an opening. In what way does it matter?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

It is a real issue that didn’t exist several years ago. It’s simple math, the amount of golf holes per rooftop has been significantly diluted since ground was broken south of 44 and it gets worse every passing year. The new golf being built is not nearly enough to rectify the issue, it’s just marginally slowing the rate of dilution.

We built much longer ago than 10 years. "Winter" was always a little more difficult, but if one were "reasonable" (meaning, no demanding ONE particular course at ONE certain day and time) it was not that difficult to get something similar to the request. Over the years it's just become, yes, beyond frustrating. I'm sure even the Championship (pay) courses do not come close to bringing in the amount of money the sale of a new home does, so you have to kind of figure: if you have self space in your store, and stocking one item brings a LOT more profit than stocking another item that might be a convenience and help to the customers who come in, but on which there is nearly no profit, or even is a "loss leader" item. So golf courses could be an attractive "loss leader" for this business. Also, how would any resident know how many MORE times that traditionally reserved for the villages sales department, are now being held back ? Are even more allotted to the sales department now that the square miles of the V's have grown exponentially. So couple those possibilities with the great increase in people owning "chains" of properties for short term rental, that demographic too has definitely increased since many years ago when the "typical" winter residents were 2 people to a home they either owned (and did not rent out when not occupying), or renters would stay an entire winter. Just so many changes that combine to cause major dysfunction, can't blame ONE thing, except perhaps lack of adequate contingency planning while adding one village after another. Kind of like a Ponzi scheme, they finally collapse but always look very successful until the end ! ?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

It is a real issue that didn’t exist several years ago. It’s simple math, the amount of golf holes per rooftop has been significantly diluted since ground was broken south of 44 and it gets worse every passing year. The new golf being built is not nearly enough to rectify the issue, it’s just marginally slowing the rate of dilution.

We built much longer ago than 10 years. "Winter" was always a little more difficult, but if one were "reasonable" (meaning, no demanding ONE particular course at ONE certain day and time) it was not that difficult to get something similar to the request. Over the years it's just become, yes, beyond frustrating. I'm sure even the Championship (pay) courses do not come close to bringing in the amount of money the sale of a new home does, so you have to kind of figure: if you have shelf space in your store, and stocking one item brings a LOT more profit than stocking another item that might be a convenience and help to the customers who come in, but on which there is nearly no profit, or even is a "loss leader" item. So golf courses could be an attractive "loss leader" for this business. Also, how would any resident know how many MORE times that traditionally reserved for the villages sales department, are now being held back ? Are even more allotted to the sales department now that the square miles of the V's have grown exponentially. So couple those possibilities with the great increase in people owning "chains" of properties for short term rental, that demographic too has definitely increased since many years ago when the "typical" winter residents were 2 people to a home they either owned (and did not rent out when not occupying), or renters would stay an entire winter. Just so many changes that combine to cause major dysfunction, can't blame ONE thing, except perhaps lack of adequate contingency planning while adding one village after another. Kind of like a Ponzi scheme, they finally collapse but always look very successful until the end ! ?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

You sold three years ago? Yet here you are, still on TOTV and still partaking of topics no longer of daily relevance to you? Interesting.

Yes, that is interesting. I doubt I'd be that interested after I moved, but, people have various quirks, especially to all social media sites rather personally relevant to them or not I suppose ? Others may just look back to try to determine if their decision to move is confirmed in their mind ? Remember, a good part of human nature is: YES, I KNEW I was right ! People seek "confirmation".

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Lobwedge60

As of today, 5 executive courses are closed for extended maintenance. With around 70 tee times per day per course with 4 golfers per slot, that means 1400 golfers are not playing per day who would be if maintenance were more timely.

Don't think who ever is "in charge" has counted on many people thinking in those mathematical terms as you have !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

It is a real issue that didn’t exist several years ago. It’s simple math, the amount of golf holes per rooftop has been significantly diluted since ground was broken south of 44 and it gets worse every passing year. The new golf being built is not nearly enough to rectify the issue, it’s just marginally slowing the rate of dilution.

Absolutely true, no way is the issue that simple, just build that new course is far from a solution because it does not address the roots of the problem ! Treating chronic illness with aspirin to keep the "fever" down, does NOT solve, or even address, the actual problem.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

I just don't even play golf during snowbird season. I have other sports that I play, and other than snowbird season, I don't have the newbs coming up here and invading my turf. When the snowbirds are gone, I get back to my nice leisurely game. Eventually, they will have their own courses and they can stay down there where they think things are so much better....

We too finally just quit trying to play during "snowbird" season, but then, "snowbird" season started getting longer, and longer, and longer, and with the dramatic increase in AB&B and so many other short term rental companies, the number of units that once were unoccupied many months, has now increased tremendously. That impacts the whole amenity picture too.

[biker1]

It was not a real situation. He was explaining how to move a person around between foursomes. In reality, the reason you might want to do this is to compress the players down into a lesser number of foursomes and free up an entire tee time. Regardless, a empty spot still exists.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Then why bother to move John to Adam's spot? An opening is an opening. In what way does it matter?

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

So couple those possibilities with the great increase in people owning "chains" of properties for short term rental, that demographic too has definitely increased since many years ago when the "typical" winter residents were 2 people to a home they either owned (and did not rent out when not occupying), or renters would stay an entire winter. ?

This is an interesting concept. With more rentals, there are probably more rentals with 4 adults vs the old days when a house had 2 adults.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by biker1

It was not a real situation. He was explaining how to move a person around between foursomes. In reality, the reason you might want to do this is to compress the players down into a lesser number of foursomes and free up an entire tee time. Regardless, a empty spot still exists.

Thanks. Still hope for a single getting to play.

[dano121]

I also moved here mostly for the golf. Lucky now to get two nines in a week. Unfortunately when I try an alternate activity such as pickleball I find long lines and when I go to the pool their are no lounges etc.. One of the problems is that the Villages allows short term rentals. I have seen their competition using this in their marketing against TV Also, it seems as if the Villages continues to build, build , build without the recreational infrastructure. They are famous for "Nickel and Dime" or are they increasing profits in anticipation of a sale? Anyway, Sharing our experiences via reviews of the Villages Development Co. may put some pressure on them.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by dano121

I also moved here mostly for the golf. Lucky now to get two nines in a week. Unfortunately when I try an alternate activity such as pickleball I find long lines and when I go to the pool their are no lounges etc.. One of the problems is that the Villages allows short term rentals. I have seen their competition using this in their marketing against TV Also, it seems as if the Villages continues to build, build , build without the recreational infrastructure. They are famous for "Nickel and Dime" or are they increasing profits in anticipation of a sale? Anyway, Sharing our experiences via reviews of the Villages Development Co. may put some pressure on them.

How so. I could play every day if I wanted to, no problem at all.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

How so. I could play every day if I wanted to, no problem at all.

Come on, you know the answer to your question. Very easy to get Championship T Times at $75+ per round. The poster is referencing Executive T Times that are part of the sunk cost amenity fees. Totally different animal.