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[wamley]

These are not private Country Clubs where you put down a substantial amount of $$$$$ to be a member. They are public courses run by the villages.

[HORNET]

They are the Managers of that Country Club / those Championship and Executive Golf Courses, the Employees, the merchandise, the maintenance companies and all of the needless complaints that come in. They are all Certified Professionals. It’s a big business, it’s the Developers Right Hand Men!

[Rich Iwaszko]

Country Clubs have a Membership that has to be served for continuing happiness and to keep them there.

TV has no membership. The import is on the streamless managing of a facility for all players. Thats what the pro's here do. And they do it well! They are not here to entertain YOU, unlike Country Clubs, they are here to insure smooth facility functioning.

Just so you understand, Pro's don't set up golf courses. Superintendents set-up golf courses.
It is a common misunderstanding..............

Originally Posted by dewilson58

As are you.

I stated IMO.........if you don't understand, that is In My Opinion.
I was not stating facts, I was stating my opinion, from over ten years of observations (in TV)...........comparing Country Clubs I've been associated with vs. TV clubs.

[OhioBuckeye]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Jus received The Villages Golf Magazine.

What do golf pro's in TV do???

They don't set up the course for play.
They don't give lessons..............compared to most club/teaching Pro's.
They don't develop a junior program.
They "front & center".
They don't manage pace-of-play.
They don't promote the game.

(IMO)

I've never seen one except in the Magazine.

Nancy Lopez use to come now & then. Sometimes a top club pro will come.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Country Clubs have a Membership that has to be served for continuing happiness and to keep them there.

TV has no membership. The import is on the streamless managing of a facility for all players. Thats what the pro's here do. And they do it well! They are not here to entertain YOU, unlike Country Clubs, they are here to insure smooth facility functioning.

Just so you understand, Pro's don't set up golf courses. Superintendents set-up golf courses.
It is a common misunderstanding..............

Yep, got that.

FYI, three Clubs I was at.........all three the Pro (or assistant) set up the courses, they were a key as to how the course played that given day or week or month.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Nancy Lopez use to come now & then. Sometimes a top club pro will come.

Does she (or her dad) still have a house in TV???

[Rich Iwaszko]

Sorry to say those courses must have had a poor super. No self respecting super will let anyone else set the course up on a daily basis. They will take instruction for tournament set-up from the pro's, BUT, not daily. And if the super was good, then the organizational structure of the golf course is deficient.

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Yep, got that.

FYI, three Clubs I was at.........all three the Pro (or assistant) set up the courses, they were a key as to how the course played that given day or week or month.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Sorry to say those courses must have had a poor super. No self respecting super will let anyone else set the course up on a daily basis.

Wow................you know, there are more views and facts in the world than jus yours.

One of the Super's is running a club which holds Senior PGA tourney's.
Quality guy.

[Gsorace]

Originally Posted by asianthree

In all the years we have been here, once while playing BG a gentleman drove behind carts. Into as _______ golf pro for BG. Asked how the round was going, then do you mind if I play couple holes with you. We were three, no worries. Long drives and putted well, very personable. Played 3 holes thanked us for the opportunity, he said I enjoy talking to residents and get thoughts on course. Then headed for a meeting.

So 17 years I met one.

What a great idea that is. If they could schedule themselves (even just once a week) to be on the course with those who play it. They could receive valuable feedback and opinions, along with the inevitable complaints. Why not?

[4$ALE]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

They also run the “Good Golf” school, which was very beneficial 20 years ago in helping us become acquainted with the local golf hierarchy and course rules. I wish golfers and especially would-be golfers would take the course. Of course, it was free then. I think there is a fee now. 😝

Good Golf School

[Gwiz4u]

Well put
When is the last time you saw the sand traps racked

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Jus received The Villages Golf Magazine.

What do golf pro's in TV do???

They don't set up the course for play.
They don't give lessons..............compared to most club/teaching Pro's.
They don't develop a junior program.
They "front & center".
They don't manage pace-of-play.
They don't promote the game.

(IMO)

I've never seen one except in the Magazine.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, it's the Academy teaching pros, not the "club" pro who gives lessons there--at least Palmer and Lopez, and I've never seen a pro giving a lesson on the range at Glenview---although there are plenty of very bad amateurs that think they can teach the game. I suppose the old adage--"those who cannot do, teach" is highly applicable to them. To quote C-3PO from Star Wars episode 2---"It's a nightmare"

...or "Amateurs Teach Amateurs To Be Amateurs."

[jedalton]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Jus received The Villages Golf Magazine.

What do golf pro's in TV do???

They don't set up the course for play.
They don't give lessons..............compared to most club/teaching Pro's.
They don't develop a junior program.
They "front & center".
They don't manage pace-of-play.
They don't promote the game.

(IMO)

I've never seen one except in the Magazine.

they do setup course and putting green for tournaments, they give lessons, they run the pro shop and manage the inventory, they oversee the championship and executive courses, they oversee the driving range, they answer any emergency that happens on the course, they manage all employees at their courses, they prepare the work schedule for all employees, they review all employees time card, they manage replacement and management of their rental golf carts and rental clubs. I can only speak of Palmer because I worked there for 6 years. It's a thankless job.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Sorry to say those courses must have had a poor super. No self respecting super will let anyone else set the course up on a daily basis. They will take instruction for tournament set-up from the pro's, BUT, not daily. And if the super was good, then the organizational structure of the golf course is deficient.

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Wow................you know, there are more views and facts in the world than jus yours.

One of the Super's is running a club which holds Senior PGA tourney's.
Quality guy.

On a daily basis, the Superintendent sets up a golf course. Only he knows where he needs a hole location to be, given past locations and green impacts. That is NEVER the Professional's job (unless the Super is a dope).

For a "club tournament", the pro is likely to participate in set up.

For ALL PGA Tournaments, the PGA course supervisor sets up the course, with the Superintendents assistance.

The OP was 100% correct.