[jmrphmba]

IMO..the pace of play is the primary problem at Championship courses including the Sunday "Nine and Dine" groups

[Rich Iwaszko]

Golf courses are rated for difficulty at certain yardages.

The general premise is 6-6-6 to maintain that rating.

6 tees are back, 6 are middle and 6 are forward.
6 holes are back 6 holes are middle and 6 holes are forward

Golf Pro's don't change cups, I can only guess that your great super was able to delegate the right instructions to the assistant pros tasked with movement of the tee markers. Labor shortage.

It does sound like he is talented, BUT, at his new place I am sure the pros don't change anything,on the golf course. It is a mortal sin to supers. This is reality.

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Wow................you know, there are more views and facts in the world than jus yours.

One of the Super's is running a club which holds Senior PGA tourney's.
Quality guy.

[HORNET]

PS: The Golf Managers are Certified PGA Pros, in order to be a Manager, The Villages has to have a person at that level to oversee their investments and have PGA backing. Look into before slamming what The Villages do and what The Villages have to do! The Villages have trained people who teach golf, just have to pay!

[HORNET]

They do all of that in one way or another!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by jmrphmba

IMO..the pace of play is the primary problem at Championship courses including the Sunday "Nine and Dine" groups

I have approximately 300 Championship rounds in the 3 years. Every round has been timed by my GolfShot App.

Average time for 18 holes, from the time I reach the golf course, until I putt out on 18 ... 4 hours & 28 minutes. That includes signing in, paying, & waiting until the starter says "go".

Actual course time over 300 rounds, approximately 4 hours & 10 minutes. 12 rounds in 3 years, over 4:30.

ALL rounds, between October and May.

The Villages maintains pace of play, better than any courses I've ever played.

[HORNET]

I had to tell my neighbor and his visiting son that they were off the pace of play and if they could help me out and correct it! But that was my job

[sowilts]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Jus received The Villages Golf Magazine.

What do golf pro's in TV do???

They don't set up the course for play.
They don't give lessons..............compared to most club/teaching Pro's.
They don't develop a junior program.
They "front & center".
They don't manage pace-of-play.
They don't promote the game.

(IMO)

I've never seen one except in the Magazine.

They manage personnel and day to day operations. Tyler, Southern Oaks is always helpful. My Grandson had lessons at Palmer.

[Rich Iwaszko]

While this sounds like a gracious idea..........GolfPro's are not priests or psychiatrists...........
Once they avail themselves to the players for opinions on things they will need hazard pay.

250 rounds of golf in a day would produce 75-100 opinions on what to do. From the size of the Dixie cups, to what snacks are sold, to the color of the flags, to when the driving range closes, to the color of the hitting mats, the type of range balls, whether the toilet paper is one ply or two, to why does the wind blow so hard. etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. Not priests and not psychiatrists.

If you think you have a valid suggestion/observation/opinion, on something golf, PUT IT IN WRITING sign it and put your email address or phone number down, date it and submit it to the golf pro. Then the subject matter will get discussed at a meeting. And you will get some feedback.

If you really need someone to complain too without committing yourself, then talk to your dog at home. He will listen intently as long as you feed him.

Originally Posted by Gsorace

What a great idea that is. If they could schedule themselves (even just once a week) to be on the course with those who play it. They could receive valuable feedback and opinions, along with the inevitable complaints. Why not?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

If you think you have a valid suggestion/observation/opinion, on something golf, PUT IT IN WRITING sign it and put your email address or phone number down, date it and submit it to the golf pro. Then the subject matter will get discussed at a meeting. And you will get some feedback.

If you really need someone to complain too without committing yourself, then talk to your dog at home. He will listen intently as long as you feed him.

Or......do what everyone else does and post it on TOTV

[crash]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Jus received The Villages Golf Magazine.

What do golf pro's in TV do???

They don't set up the course for play.
They don't give lessons..............compared to most club/teaching Pro's.
They don't develop a junior program.
They "front & center".
They don't manage pace-of-play.
They don't promote the game.

(IMO)

I've never seen one except in the Magazine.

They do teach lessons and they do have a junior program. My granddaughter has done both at Arnold Palmer and Nancy Lopez. Have you not heard of the golf academy.

[pendi99]

They hide very well!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by pendi99

They hide very well!

You mean hide in plain sight.

I practice at Sarasota 4x/week and see Joey, Craig, Tom and Maria all the time. I played Bonifay yesterday and brett came over to say hello. Same with Tyler the last time I played Southern Oaks.

If someone is a casual or primarily exec player, they probably wouldn't recognize our pros if they tripped over them, and those pros wouldn't have the faintest idea who the players are. What is their expectation---that the pro they don't even recognize comes over and gives them a big hug??????

[Shipping up to Boston]

Not a TV only issue. Clubs across the nation are experiencing unprecedented labor shortages. In golf course operations and maintenance....a simple 'warm body and a pulse' hiring option exacerbates the issue. Club pros are soup to nuts type of individuals and deserve better.

[drcar]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

As are you.

I stated IMO.........if you don't understand, that is In My Opinion.
I was not stating facts, I was stating my opinion, from over ten years of observations (in TV)...........comparing Country Clubs I've been associated with vs. TV clubs.

OH, I understand what IMO is, but opinions are normally given when asked. Your opinion was way off the mark!

[D.C.Villager]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Jus received The Villages Golf Magazine.

What do golf pro's in TV do???

They don't set up the course for play.
They don't give lessons..............compared to most club/teaching Pro's.
They don't develop a junior program.
They "front & center".
They don't manage pace-of-play.
They don't promote the game.

(IMO)

I've never seen one except in the Magazine.

They give lessons. WHy would any post saying they don't when you are this unknowledgeable?