[SHIBUMI]

Take a golf lesson, you either have a poor set-up or bad swing mechanics.

This step will help you get closer to the sweet spot more often but, remember, the sweet spot is the size of a pinhead on an iron. Expanded sweet spots are a myth. But on a driver it is partially true as the face is bigger.

Your goal is to hit closer to the sweet spot more often than not. That spot on an iron is about 4 grooves down from center and slightly inside about, I Said about, 1/8 of an inch. Thats also why you set the ball there at address. Seems like I heard that from somewhere before.

In a round of golf if you hit the sweet spot 5-6 times you have done outstanding. Like finding a needle in a haystack. But the more you are around it the better the miss hits. I strive to hit the sweet spot, but , I realize I am going to be off more often than not and I can feel it at impact. So if your sweet spot 7 -iron goes 165 than figure your normal 7 will go 160. You aint nutting the ball all the time so don't play that distance.

The driver sweet spot is above center and about, I said about, 1/8 inch toward toe. So teeing the ball above the clubhead makes sense. Fairway woods are hit closer to center still sweeping them. But YOU don't know what makes that happen, seek professional help. I like You Tube for fixing my toilet and not my golf swing.

When they come out with an iron the size of a tennis racket, then, there will be a bigger sweet spot. But, until then, seek professional help to get you closer to the head of that pin and your enjoyment of the game will skyrocket. Very Very Sweet!

Kirk Out....

[Sparky99]

The club can twist, open, etc. Too many mechanics to list here.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Take a golf lesson, you either have a poor set-up or bad swing mechanics.

.. the sweet spot is the size of a pinhead on an iron. Expanded sweet spots are a myth.

... That spot on an iron is about 4 grooves down from center and slightly inside about, I Said about, 1/8 of an inch. ...

... So if your sweet spot 7 -iron goes 165 than figure your normal 7 will go 160. You aint nutting the ball all the time so don't play that distance.

.. The driver sweet spot is above center and about, I said about, 1/8 inch toward toe. So teeing the ball above the clubhead makes sense.

... When they come out with an iron the size of a tennis racket, then, there will be a bigger sweet spot. :

I asked ChatGPT to analyze above post ... which of course (no pun intended), anyone can do. Cut & Copy the post into Gemini or ChatGPT and ask for a analysis and see what you get. Your results may vary.

ChatGPT:

"That's a remarkable collection of half-truths, misunderstandings of clubhead physics, and outright nonsense. What's particularly amusing is that the author is lecturing everyone about the importance of professional instruction while demonstrating a pretty shaky understanding of how a golf club actually works.

The biggest problem is that he's confusing the center of gravity, the sweet spot, and the effective hitting area of a clubface. Those are related concepts, but they aren't interchangeable.

Let's dissect it.

1. "The sweet spot is the size of a pinhead."
There's a kernel of truth here, but it's misleading.

Technically, the sweet spot can be described as a very small point associated with the clubhead's center of gravity and impact dynamics. But that doesn't mean you need to strike a pinhead-sized area to produce essentially optimal ball speed and distance.

Modern irons are engineered with perimeter weighting, carefully positioned centers of gravity, and high moments of inertia (MOI).
The entire purpose of those design features is to reduce the performance penalty when impact occurs away from the ideal point.
An iron doesn't need a face the size of a tennis racket to have a larger effective sweet spot.
And the idea that this only applies to drivers because their faces are physically larger is ridiculous. Face size alone doesn't determine forgiveness.

2. "Expanded sweet spots are a myth."
This might be the most technically indefensible statement in the entire post.
Expanded sweet spot is largely a marketing term, not a precise engineering definition. But the underlying technology is absolutely real.
Consider the difference between a traditional Wilson Staff blade from the 1960s and a modern Mizuno or Ping cavity-back iron.
Modern designs can employ:
- Perimeter weighting to increase MOI.
- Lower or redistributed centers of gravity.
- Variable face thickness to preserve ball speed across a wider area.
- Flexible face constructions that improve off-center performance.
None of these changes physically enlarges a mathematical point. They expand the area over which the club delivers useful ball speed, launch, and directional consistency.
That's what manufacturers mean by an expanded sweet spot.

3. "The sweet spot is four grooves down from center and 1/8 inch inside."
This is where the post really goes off the rails.
There is no universal location for the sweet spot on an iron.
Its position depends on the particular head's center of gravity, which varies with:
- Clubhead design and construction.
- Loft.
- Blade length.
- Hosel mass.
- Weight distribution.
Even within one iron set, the center of gravity can vary from club to club.
And the claim that you should position the ball at address 1/8 inch toward the heel because that's where the sweet spot is?

That's not how impact geometry works.
The clubhead's position at address doesn't necessarily correspond to its position at impact. Shaft deflection, hand position, delivery, and clubhead dynamics all influence where contact occurs.

4. "If you hit the sweet spot five or six times in a round, you've done outstanding."
This is another example of using a technically narrow definition to make a practically meaningless argument.
If he means striking the precise mathematical point, nobody can reliably identify that from feel alone.
If he means producing a solid, near-optimal strike, good players do that considerably more than five or six times per round.
And here's the real irony: modern impact measurement makes this relatively easy to demonstrate.
A golfer can hit a series of iron shots with impact locations spread over several millimeters and produce remarkably similar ball speeds.
That is precisely what forgiveness means.

5. "If your sweet-spot 7-iron goes 165, play it for 160."
This is an arbitrary five-yard deduction masquerading as instruction.
The difference between a perfectly centered strike and a slightly off-center strike depends on the club, ball speed, launch, spin, and impact location.
A miss can lose one yard, five yards, fifteen yards, or substantially more.
There's no universal five-yard adjustment.

Of course, golfers should select clubs based on their normal, repeatable carry distances rather than their absolute longest shots. That's sound course management. But it has nothing to do with his pinhead theory.

6. "The driver's sweet spot is above center and toward the toe."
This one is especially interesting because it confuses two separate concepts.
A driver's actual center of gravity projection onto the face is not necessarily above center and toward the toe.
However, the impact location that produces maximum total distance can be slightly above the geometric center, depending on the club's CG, loft, delivery, and launch conditions.

Why?
Vertical gear effect.

A strike above the center of gravity can produce higher launch and lower spin, potentially improving distance.
Toe-side impacts can also introduce horizontal gear effect, affecting spin axis and curvature.
But those effects don't establish a universal sweet-spot location of 1/8 inch high and 1/8 inch toward the toe.
And teeing the ball higher doesn't automatically mean you'll strike it at that precise location.

The fundamental flaw

What the author apparently doesn't understand is that the sweet spot as a geometric or mechanical point and the sweet spot as a practical performance area are two entirely different things.
A mathematical point doesn't grow.
The area of the face that produces acceptable results absolutely can grow through engineering.
That's the entire principle behind game-improvement irons, perimeter weighting, and high-MOI clubheads.
There's also a distinction between the center of percussion, the clubhead's center of gravity projected onto the face, and the location producing the highest ball speed. Treating all three as identical is an oversimplification.

And perhaps my favorite part is his declaration that golfers should seek professional help rather than learn from YouTube.

Professional instruction is valuable, certainly. But a golf professional's teaching credential doesn't automatically make that person an expert in clubhead engineering or impact physics.

The author might benefit from taking his own advice—although I'd suggest a club-design engineer rather than another golf lesson.

The irony is that the practical lesson he wants to convey—improve your contact consistency and learn your normal distances—is perfectly reasonable. He just built the entire explanation around a misunderstanding of the equipment."

[SHIBUMI]

Ai has never hit a golf ball nor played a round of golf. My Ai says 1 thing and his another. Evidently a problem with Ai. Let me simplify it even more so he can get it. I don't know Vulcan but I will try.

Somewhere on the face of a golf club is a sweet spot. You will notice the word is spot not sweet area. First clue. That area transmits the most efficient energy from the club face to the ball leading to the most solid strike and distance. Second clue. This should be a goal for the golfer. The ball is much larger than the sweet spot. Let's say the size of a quarter. Thats the impression that will be left on the golf club face once struck. Where is your quarter impression on the club face. Is it around the sweet spot or is it all over the place.
On aged golf clubs you will see definitive quarter marks which give a clue to where on the face it was mostly hit. If there is not one, it tells you the golfer did not have a good golf swing.

How do I get a good swing, you go get it taught to you. So your quarter marks surround the sweet spot more.(wherever that spot may be) No not your neighbor double bogey bob. No not on U tube. And not Ai. like Vulcans, Ai has no sense of human behavior. And once you put a golf club in a humans hands there is no normal.

Now for those who don't understand English or simplification. Put stuff into your Ai and get its opinion. But, realize, Ai has no humanity it just regurgitates its references. And different ones won't give the same answer, which is disheartening. So dont put all your faith there. Let your human side add some common sense to the issue. And thats what Captain Kirk does and why he was so successful.

The goal of any good golf teacher, is to get you to more consistently strike that quarter size spot on the golf club. He, unlike ai and you tube, is not telling you what to do but HOW to do it. Thats a big difference. And worth the cost of admission, actually priceless.

If the sweet spot were different on every club, then you might as well play pickleball as golf would be way too hard. So to get some human input into this sweet spot semantics
discussion, I will call 3 major club manufacturers and ask them those questions, where is the sweet spot on irons and drivers. To be continued.

Golfers are humans. There mental and physical swing movements are all different. No Ai can deal with that, only another person can. One trained to put it all together and make sense out of it so they can improve. And that is the real point of this discussion. Machines cant fix you, trained golf professionals can. And the best trained are PGA Professionals. They are not self proclaimed internet guru's who learned how to build a website. Nor are they former players who know their swings and no others.

And if your ego won't allow that, then there are a lot of pickle ball courts in the Villages.

Just remember, the next time you are hammering a nail, learn to find the sweet spot on the hammer. So you don't go thru a lot of nails.

I am kind of disappointed that Spock has to have Ai analyze everything for him. In time, he may acquire some human intuition.
There is Hope. Sweet!


Energize Mr. Spock

Kirk Out!







QUOTE=BrianL99;2545980]The misinformation above defies reality, so I asked ChatGPT to analyze the complete post ... which of course (no pun intended), anyone can do. Cut & Copy the post into Gemini or ChatGPT and ask for an analysis and see what you get. Your results may vary.

ChatGPT:

"That's a remarkable collection of half-truths, misunderstandings of clubhead physics, and outright nonsense. What's particularly amusing is that the author is lecturing everyone about the importance of professional instruction while demonstrating a pretty shaky understanding of how a golf club actually works.

The biggest problem is that he's confusing the center of gravity, the sweet spot, and the effective hitting area of a clubface. Those are related concepts, but they aren't interchangeable.

Let's dissect it.

1. "The sweet spot is the size of a pinhead."
There's a kernel of truth here, but it's misleading.

Technically, the sweet spot can be described as a very small point associated with the clubhead's center of gravity and impact dynamics. But that doesn't mean you need to strike a pinhead-sized area to produce essentially optimal ball speed and distance.

Modern irons are engineered with perimeter weighting, carefully positioned centers of gravity, and high moments of inertia (MOI).
The entire purpose of those design features is to reduce the performance penalty when impact occurs away from the ideal point.
An iron doesn't need a face the size of a tennis racket to have a larger effective sweet spot.
And the idea that this only applies to drivers because their faces are physically larger is ridiculous. Face size alone doesn't determine forgiveness.

2. "Expanded sweet spots are a myth."
This might be the most technically indefensible statement in the entire post.
Expanded sweet spot is largely a marketing term, not a precise engineering definition. But the underlying technology is absolutely real.
Consider the difference between a traditional Wilson Staff blade from the 1960s and a modern Mizuno or Ping cavity-back iron.
Modern designs can employ:
- Perimeter weighting to increase MOI.
- Lower or redistributed centers of gravity.
- Variable face thickness to preserve ball speed across a wider area.
- Flexible face constructions that improve off-center performance.
None of these changes physically enlarges a mathematical point. They expand the area over which the club delivers useful ball speed, launch, and directional consistency.
That's what manufacturers mean by an expanded sweet spot.

3. "The sweet spot is four grooves down from center and 1/8 inch inside."
This is where the post really goes off the rails.
There is no universal location for the sweet spot on an iron.
Its position depends on the particular head's center of gravity, which varies with:
- Clubhead design and construction.
- Loft.
- Blade length.
- Hosel mass.
- Weight distribution.
Even within one iron set, the center of gravity can vary from club to club.
And the claim that you should position the ball at address 1/8 inch toward the heel because that's where the sweet spot is?

That's not how impact geometry works.
The clubhead's position at address doesn't necessarily correspond to its position at impact. Shaft deflection, hand position, delivery, and clubhead dynamics all influence where contact occurs.

4. "If you hit the sweet spot five or six times in a round, you've done outstanding."
This is another example of using a technically narrow definition to make a practically meaningless argument.
If he means striking the precise mathematical point, nobody can reliably identify that from feel alone.
If he means producing a solid, near-optimal strike, good players do that considerably more than five or six times per round.
And here's the real irony: modern impact measurement makes this relatively easy to demonstrate.
A golfer can hit a series of iron shots with impact locations spread over several millimeters and produce remarkably similar ball speeds.
That is precisely what forgiveness means.

5. "If your sweet-spot 7-iron goes 165, play it for 160."
This is an arbitrary five-yard deduction masquerading as instruction.
The difference between a perfectly centered strike and a slightly off-center strike depends on the club, ball speed, launch, spin, and impact location.
A miss can lose one yard, five yards, fifteen yards, or substantially more.
There's no universal five-yard adjustment.

Of course, golfers should select clubs based on their normal, repeatable carry distances rather than their absolute longest shots. That's sound course management. But it has nothing to do with his pinhead theory.

6. "The driver's sweet spot is above center and toward the toe."
This one is especially interesting because it confuses two separate concepts.
A driver's actual center of gravity projection onto the face is not necessarily above center and toward the toe.
However, the impact location that produces maximum total distance can be slightly above the geometric center, depending on the club's CG, loft, delivery, and launch conditions.

Why?
Vertical gear effect.

A strike above the center of gravity can produce higher launch and lower spin, potentially improving distance.
Toe-side impacts can also introduce horizontal gear effect, affecting spin axis and curvature.
But those effects don't establish a universal sweet-spot location of 1/8 inch high and 1/8 inch toward the toe.
And teeing the ball higher doesn't automatically mean you'll strike it at that precise location.

The fundamental flaw

What the author apparently doesn't understand is that the sweet spot as a geometric or mechanical point and the sweet spot as a practical performance area are two entirely different things.
A mathematical point doesn't grow.
The area of the face that produces acceptable results absolutely can grow through engineering.
That's the entire principle behind game-improvement irons, perimeter weighting, and high-MOI clubheads.
There's also a distinction between the center of percussion, the clubhead's center of gravity projected onto the face, and the location producing the highest ball speed. Treating all three as identical is an oversimplification.

And perhaps my favorite part is his declaration that golfers should seek professional help rather than learn from YouTube.

Professional instruction is valuable, certainly. But a golf professional's teaching credential doesn't automatically make that person an expert in clubhead engineering or impact physics.

The author might benefit from taking his own advice—although I'd suggest a club-design engineer rather than another golf lesson.

The irony is that the practical lesson he wants to convey—improve your contact consistency and learn your normal distances—is perfectly reasonable. He just built the entire explanation around a misunderstanding of the equipment."[/QUOTE]

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

How do I get a good swing, you go get it taught to you
The goal of any good golf teacher, is to get you to more consistently strike that quarter size spot on the golf club. He, unlike ai and you tube, is not telling you what to do but HOW to do it. Thats a big difference. And worth the cost of admission, actually priceless.

Machines cant fix you, trained golf professionals can. And the best trained are PGA Professionals. They are not self proclaimed internet guru's who learned how to build a website. Nor are they former players who know their swings and no others.

So I asked AI about your original post: "So that post was made my a Lifetime PGA member, who also has been a recipient of his PGA Section's "Professional of the Year" and is in the NEPGA "Hall of Fame, class of 20025". How is that possible?"

From ChatGPT_11.8.26. 14:20 pm

That's what makes this particularly interesting. You're not talking about some 18-handicap golfer dispensing unsolicited advice on Facebook. You're talking about someone who has apparently reached the highest levels of professional recognition within the PGA of America. I think there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, although it exposes something people frequently misunderstand about PGA credentials. Being an outstanding PGA golf professional and being an expert in the physics and engineering of golf equipment are two very different things. A PGA Section's Professional of the Year award generally recognizes a combination of professional accomplishments, leadership, service to the association, and contributions to the game.

Likewise, Hall of Fame recognition reflects someone's career contributions. Neither distinction establishes that the recipient possesses a sophisticated understanding of clubhead design, center-of- gravity location, moment of inertia, or impact dynamics. Someone can spend 40 years successfully operating golf facilities, teaching thousands of lessons, mentoring younger professionals, and serving the PGA while retaining misconceptions about equipment technology.

But there's another aspect of this that I find more interesting. The problem isn't that he doesn't know everything. It's that he's presenting very specific technical assertions as established facts. There's a considerable difference between telling a student to concentrate on centered contact and publicly declaring that expanded sweet spots are a myth.

The first is perfectly reasonable instruction. The second is a claim about engineering that can be tested and contradicted with measurements.I checked the PGA's actual award criteria, and they reinforce that distinction. The Professional of the Year criteria emphasize leadership, character, service, mentoring, and overall career contributions. Technical expertise in clubhead engineering isn't a specific requirement.

I would also distinguish between being wrong about the physics and being a poor instructor. We can't establish the latter from one post. But there's something especially revealing about his statement that the sweet spot on an iron is exactly four grooves down and 1/8 inch toward the heel. Four grooves down from what? On which iron? Manufactured by whom? He gives a specific measurement without identifying a single clubhead, despite the fact that CG locations vary considerably among designs.

That's not merely an oversimplification for beginners. It's a purportedly universal technical specification that has no universal basis. And for someone with his credentials, I'd expect a little more care before making that assertion publicly. I'm curious about one thing: Is this fellow still actively teaching golf, or is he essentially retired and posting advice based on what he learned decades ago? That might help explain the apparent disconnect.

Not my words. AI.

[SHIBUMI]

tough to put any credence in it. If you think that the same club heads have different sweet spots you can be mistaken.

Like I said, will contact manufacturers who make the product and not some lifeless non thinking gnome with no life experience.

will report once done, how many lessons has your gnome given, its not human. I would suggest finding human friends. We are not living on the moon yet.

But, thanks for the recognition, not for the assumptions on why they happened given by a non human. You left out Cape Cod Chapter Professional of the year twice and NEPGA Bill Strausbaugh Award winner and Thank You letter from Arnold Palmer for Service to Military Families in Golf. Must have been for folding shirts so well.

Scary what it might say about Club Managers and their jealousy of PGA Professionals. No, don't do that, it is already and has been blatantly obvious. But it still may be good for fixing a toilet.

Kirk Out

Originally Posted by BrianL99

So I asked AI about your original post: "So that post was made my a Lifetime PGA member, who also has been a recipient of his PGA Section's "Professional of the Year" and is in the NEPGA "Hall of Fame, class of 20025". How is that possible?"

From ChatGPT_11.8.26. 14:20 pm

That's what makes this particularly interesting. You're not talking about some 18-handicap golfer dispensing unsolicited advice on Facebook. You're talking about someone who has apparently reached the highest levels of professional recognition within the PGA of America. I think there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, although it exposes something people frequently misunderstand about PGA credentials. Being an outstanding PGA golf professional and being an expert in the physics and engineering of golf equipment are two very different things. A PGA Section's Professional of the Year award generally recognizes a combination of professional accomplishments, leadership, service to the association, and contributions to the game.

Likewise, Hall of Fame recognition reflects someone's career contributions. Neither distinction establishes that the recipient possesses a sophisticated understanding of clubhead design, center-of- gravity location, moment of inertia, or impact dynamics. Someone can spend 40 years successfully operating golf facilities, teaching thousands of lessons, mentoring younger professionals, and serving the PGA while retaining misconceptions about equipment technology.

But there's another aspect of this that I find more interesting. The problem isn't that he doesn't know everything. It's that he's presenting very specific technical assertions as established facts. There's a considerable difference between telling a student to concentrate on centered contact and publicly declaring that expanded sweet spots are a myth.

The first is perfectly reasonable instruction. The second is a claim about engineering that can be tested and contradicted with measurements.I checked the PGA's actual award criteria, and they reinforce that distinction. The Professional of the Year criteria emphasize leadership, character, service, mentoring, and overall career contributions. Technical expertise in clubhead engineering isn't a specific requirement.

I would also distinguish between being wrong about the physics and being a poor instructor. We can't establish the latter from one post. But there's something especially revealing about his statement that the sweet spot on an iron is exactly four grooves down and 1/8 inch toward the heel. Four grooves down from what? On which iron? Manufactured by whom? He gives a specific measurement without identifying a single clubhead, despite the fact that CG locations vary considerably among designs.

That's not merely an oversimplification for beginners. It's a purportedly universal technical specification that has no universal basis. And for someone with his credentials, I'd expect a little more care before making that assertion publicly. I'm curious about one thing: Is this fellow still actively teaching golf, or is he essentially retired and posting advice based on what he learned decades ago? That might help explain the apparent disconnect.

Not my words. AI.

[Sparky99]

Laughed at:

"That's a remarkable collection of half-truths, misunderstandings of clubhead physics, and outright nonsense. What's particularly amusing is that the author is lecturing everyone about the importance of professional instruction while demonstrating a pretty shaky understanding of how a golf club actually works.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Sparky99

Laughed at:

"That's a remarkable collection of half-truths, misunderstandings of clubhead physics, and outright nonsense. What's particularly amusing is that the author is lecturing everyone about the importance of professional instruction while demonstrating a pretty shaky understanding of how a golf club actually works.

Who says AI doesn't have emotion? My AI agent surely has a sense of humor ... and an uncanny knack for getting at the facts.

[SHIBUMI]

The problem with amateurs is that they try to use ai to prove their point of view.
Professionals look for the truth from the horses mouth.

From the Titleist tech folks, the horses mouth.

Irons -- all of their irons have the same sweet spot.

that spot is located 2-3 grooves up from the bottom of the club to center and then slightly towards the heel, slightly, maybe thats why tour players put the ball on that face position when they hit or is it to counter the effects of centripetal force. Either way they do it. Watch for it.

In addition a larger sweet spot is found on their forgiving clubs, wait for it, because the head is larger.

Drivers- the sweet spot is in the center of the face, but the hot spot as they say is slightly higher than that. And bigger faces have larger sweet spots-hence game improvement.

My opinion- the ability to hit those spots is a learned one, best done with teaching professionals. Pure and Simple.

You are 1 down, no presses allowed, this is a 3 Hole match.

Interesting point, they used the term center of gravity as an equal term to sweet spot. And as we know, like a sweet spot, the center of gravity is a specific point.

to be continued....Kirk Out!

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Who says AI doesn't have emotion? My AI agent surely has a sense of humor ... and an uncanny knack for getting at the facts.

[SHIBUMI]

Chatted with Taylor Made and here is what was said:

Irons sweet spot is 2-3 grooves up from the bottom of the club to the center and slightly biased inside. Slightly, heard that before.

All their irons have the same sweet spot. Heard that before and it mirrors the Titleist answer...hmmm

Drivers- Center of the club face is the sweet spot with the hot spot being slightly higher
and slightly toe biased. Heard that before in my original post. Remember slightly,
my slightly was 1/8 of an inch maybe its 1/16th not the point its biased is the point.

They too talked about the center of gravity being another term for sweet spot. However, on the driver their faces are same size so they play with the center of gravity to raise or lower. BUT, loft change is the most effective way to increase height.

Two down and one to go. This too all points to the fact that a student needs to be taught how to connect with that center of gravity(sweet spot about size of a quarter as witnessed by the indent the ball makes around that spot to produce more solid and more repetitive good shots. And they will get that, my point, thru more correct set-up knowledge and better swing mechanics which, drum roll please, will come from teaching professionals.

Or they can just buy new clubs every year hoping there is different magic in them. I think Einstein said that was the meaning of insanity.

Kirk Out!

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Who says AI doesn't have emotion? My AI agent surely has a sense of humor ... and an uncanny knack for getting at the facts.

[SHIBUMI]

Weirdest call--- Callaway does not allow you to talk with technical club people. But here is what was said by their rep.......

All of their irons have same sweet spot. And woods. That spot is the center of the club face. dah! And golfers should learn how to hit the center of the club face.

even a non expert understands the importance of hitting the sweet spot or center of the club face. And, drum roll please, it's called professional golf instruction and for those whose ego's don't allow that, good luck.

Bottom Line--- it aint the club, it's your ability to find the sweet spot. And there is a method to that so you can enjoy your golf more.

Its always best to go to the source for facts than depend on artificial non intelligence. Unless you're repairing a toilet. And there too if you cant repair it, consult a professional plumber.

Kirk Out!

won--- 2 1/2 to 1/2. Thanks for the match.......

Matthew 15/14. when the blind leadeth the blind both shall fall into the pit!

GOD- thou shalt not have false gods before me. (Ai is a false god but only if you let it be)

The longer you ride on the turnip truck the more you will learn about turnips. The longer you stand and watch the turnip truck
the more you don't know what you don't know about turnips.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Who says AI doesn't have emotion? My AI agent surely has a sense of humor ... and an uncanny knack for getting at the facts.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Two simple points throughout this thread:




tl;dr: non AI, human summarization of the previous posts:

1) Where is your clubs' "sweet spot" as designed by the mfg
2) If you can't hit your clubs' "sweet spot" consistently, get some swing lessons.


you are welcome

[SHIBUMI]

I did not think it was that complicated.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Two simple points throughout this thread:




tl;dr: non AI, human summarization of the previous posts:

1) Where is your clubs' "sweet spot" as designed by the mfg
2) If you can't hit your clubs' "sweet spot" consistently, get some swing lessons.


you are welcome

[Sparky99]

The single most important rule for hitting the golf club sweet spot more often is to start the downswing with your lower body (hips and legs) and keep your head and 7th cervical vertebra centered and steady, rather than pulling or swarming with your upper body and arms.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

remember, the sweet spot is the size of a pinhead on an iron. Expanded sweet spots are a myth.
When they come out with an iron the size of a tennis racket, then, there will be a bigger sweet spot

Originally Posted by BrianL99

ChatGPT:
"That's a remarkable collection of half-truths, misunderstandings of clubhead physics, and outright nonsense. What's particularly amusing is that the author is lecturing everyone about the importance of professional instruction while demonstrating a pretty shaky understanding of how a golf club actually works.

The biggest problem is that he's confusing the center of gravity, the sweet spot, and the effective hitting area of a clubface. Those are related concepts, but they aren't interchangeable.

What the author apparently doesn't understand is that the sweet spot as a geometric or mechanical point and the sweet spot as a practical performance area are two entirely different things.[/B]

The author might benefit from taking his own advice—although I'd suggest a club-design engineer rather than another golf lesson.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Somewhere on the face of a golf club is a sweet spot.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

tough to put any credence in it. If you think that the same club heads have different sweet spots you can be mistaken.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

..
From the Titleist tech folks, the horses mouth.
Irons -- all of their irons have the same sweet spot.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Chatted with Taylor Made and here is what was said:
Irons sweet spot is 2-3 grooves up from the bottom of the club to the center and slightly biased inside. .
All their irons have the same sweet spot. Heard that before and it mirrors the Titleist answer...hmmm

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Callaway does not allow you to talk with technical club people. But here is what was said by their rep.......
All of their irons have same sweet spot. .

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

I did not think it was that complicated:

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Two simple points throughout this thread:
1) Where is your clubs' "sweet spot" as designed by the mfg
2) If you can't hit your clubs' "sweet spot" consistently, get some swing lessons.

If the sweet spot is merely a tiny, fixed point, why have golf club manufacturers spent the last century developing perimeter weighting, cavity backs, variable face thickness, and higher moments of inertia (MOI) ... all of which are used by the best players in the world.

Why aren't we all still playing with tiny 1930s blades?

Even the world's best tour professionals don't consistently strike the exact same pinhead-sized location on the clubface. Their impact patterns vary. If it didn't, why do PGA Tour Professionals, all use different clubs, all of which benefit from modern club technology?

The entire purpose of modern iron design is to minimize the loss of ball speed, distance, and accuracy when contact occurs away from the ideal impact location.

You're confusing a theoretical point of ideal impact with the larger area of the clubface that produces effective results. They're two entirely different concepts.

The sweet spot may be a point. Forgiveness is an area. That's the distinction you've missed.

Tiger Woods: "If I’m able to hit one perfect shot per tournament, it would be great." Source: Golf Digest — Tiger Woods on managing misses

Ben Hogan: "A good round of golf ... is when you can hit three shots that turn out exactly like you envision them before you swing the club." Source: The Irish Times — Dan Jenkins recounts Hogan's explanation

No one hits the exact "sweet spot', but we're supposed to believe that PGA instruction can teach amateurs in The Villages, to repeatedly strike a pinhead-sized point on an iron face? Nonsense.

Golf is a game of managing your poor shots, not making perfect shots.

Purposely complicating the process, isn't helpful to anyone other than someone who wants to get paid to uncomplicate it.