[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

I heard they got a HUGE premium for the lots around Mickeylee P&P. Especially the lots on the west side of the course.
Same for all the lots around Richmond P&P - I heard it was a $400,000 premium on the west and south side.

Exactly, those cumulative premiums may be enough to finance the construction of the course.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Good question. Why did they build Richmond Pitch & Putt instead of an executive?

Richmond is one example where an executive course absolutely would not fit in that small area. It probably is under half the size of most executive courses plus they were constrained on three sides on what could be built there (turnpike, golf cart bridge, Meggison). It was basically built as a buffer from the turnpike but it's well utilized and in a good location so I think it was a good decision.

[kansasr]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

I heard they got a HUGE premium for the lots around Mickeylee P&P. Especially the lots on the west side of the course.
Same for all the lots around Richmond P&P - I heard it was a $400,000 premium on the west and south side.

Clearly you didn't hear this from someone with an understanding of Villages geography. There are no homes on the west (just the turnpike) or the south (just Meggison) sides of Richmond Pitch & Putt.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

Richmond is one example where an executive course absolutely would not fit in that small area. It probably is under half the size of most executive courses plus they were constrained on three sides on what could be built there (turnpike, golf cart bridge, Meggison). It was basically built as a buffer from the turnpike but it's well utilized and in a good location so I think it was a good decision.

Sorry, but logic and reason have no place in this discussion...

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Simple answer:
Because they didn't have enough land for an Executive course on those areas...

If I am reading the maps correctly,

Marsh View is 27.96 acres.
Richmond is 32.96 acres.
Mickylee is 45.7 acres.

Lowlands is 48.09 acres
Loblolly and Longleaf are a combined 90.93 acres or 45.465 acres each.
Red Fox and Gray Fox are a combined 80.35 acres or 40.175 acres each.
Turtle Mound and Sandhill are a combined 82.81 acres or 41.405 acres each.
Yankee Clipper and Southern Star are a combined 85.95 acres or 42.975 acres each.
Roosevelt and Truman are a combined 83.97 acres or 41.985 acres each.

I agree that Marsh View and Richmond are too small for an executive course but Mickylee is larger than many of the existing executives.

[kansasr]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

If I am reading the maps correctly,

Marsh View is 27.96 acres.
Richmond is 32.96 acres.
Mickylee is 45.7 acres.

Lowlands is 48.09 acres
Loblolly and Longleaf are a combined 90.93 acres or 45.465 acres each.
Red Fox and Gray Fox are a combined 80.35 acres or 40.175 acres each.
Turtle Mound and Sandhill are a combined 82.81 acres or 41.405 acres each.
Yankee Clipper and Southern Star are a combined 85.95 acres or 42.975 acres each.
Roosevelt and Truman are a combined 83.97 acres or 41.985 acres each.

I agree that Marsh View and Richmond are too small for an executive course but Mickylee is larger than many of the existing executives.

About a third of the Mickey Lee property is the rec center and the two postal stations. You might have squeezed something in the remaking space but I think the pitch and putt and the putting course is a much better use of the space

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

If I am reading the maps correctly,

Marsh View is 27.96 acres.
Richmond is 32.96 acres.
Mickylee is 45.7 acres.

Lowlands is 48.09 acres
Loblolly and Longleaf are a combined 90.93 acres or 45.465 acres each.
Red Fox and Gray Fox are a combined 80.35 acres or 40.175 acres each.
Turtle Mound and Sandhill are a combined 82.81 acres or 41.405 acres each.
Yankee Clipper and Southern Star are a combined 85.95 acres or 42.975 acres each.
Roosevelt and Truman are a combined 83.97 acres or 41.985 acres each.

I agree that Marsh View and Richmond are too small for an executive course but Mickylee is larger than many of the existing executives.

Don’t forget, hitting a pitching wedge requires much less space left ot right for an mis hit than an mis hit on a 175 yard par 3, or the par 4s on an executive.
Mickeylee is narrow

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

If I am reading the maps correctly,

Marsh View is 27.96 acres.
Richmond is 32.96 acres.
Mickylee is 45.7 acres.

Lowlands is 48.09 acres
Loblolly and Longleaf are a combined 90.93 acres or 45.465 acres each.
Red Fox and Gray Fox are a combined 80.35 acres or 40.175 acres each.
Turtle Mound and Sandhill are a combined 82.81 acres or 41.405 acres each.
Yankee Clipper and Southern Star are a combined 85.95 acres or 42.975 acres each.
Roosevelt and Truman are a combined 83.97 acres or 41.985 acres each.

I agree that Marsh View and Richmond are too small for an executive course but Mickylee is larger than many of the existing executives.

You are also ignoring the land surrounding the actual course. Most of the land you're claiming could be used was reclaimed "prairie"... Where as the other areas (like Turtle mound and Sandhill) were not.

And like I said before, compare the length of the holes on MickeyLee, compared to most Exec courses. Much shorter.

It's not all about square footage or acreage. It's about "usable land"...

It's the same thing when you drive thru Marsh Bend, for example. There are very large tracts of "open space" that is just not suitable to build on...

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by kansasr

Clearly you didn't hear this from someone with an understanding of Villages geography. There are no homes on the west (just the turnpike) or the south (just Meggison) sides of Richmond Pitch & Putt.

Attachment 103617

That was the purpose of my comment. There are no houses around Mickey Lee. Notice what I said about Richmond, I left off the section that actually has houses

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

If I am reading the maps correctly,

Marsh View is 27.96 acres.
Richmond is 32.96 acres.
Mickylee is 45.7 acres.

Lowlands is 48.09 acres
Loblolly and Longleaf are a combined 90.93 acres or 45.465 acres each.
Red Fox and Gray Fox are a combined 80.35 acres or 40.175 acres each.
Turtle Mound and Sandhill are a combined 82.81 acres or 41.405 acres each.
Yankee Clipper and Southern Star are a combined 85.95 acres or 42.975 acres each.
Roosevelt and Truman are a combined 83.97 acres or 41.985 acres each.

I agree that Marsh View and Richmond are too small for an executive course but Mickylee is larger than many of the existing executives.

Thanks for this info. I can add some context since I play some of these courses often.

If you compare to Lowlands, Loblolly or Longleaf, those courses essentially meander between homes and also have portions on the opposite sides of major streets so it's not a single contiguous chunk like Richmond and March View are. Comparing 45 acres for Loblolly/Longleaf to 32 acres at Richmond, that's 40% more land. That's significant. If Richmond P&P was 45 acres there wouldn't be much room left for the Village of Richmond there.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You are also ignoring the land surrounding the actual course. Most of the land you're claiming could be used was reclaimed "prairie"... Where as the other areas (like Turtle mound and Sandhill) were not.

This is a good point. If you look at Richmond P&P, there is no surrounding land. Zero. There's a fence where the Waterlily bridge is, another fence along the turnpike, a fence separating some non Villages property, and the rest is bordered by home lots.

Most of those other executives have some surrounding land that are not part of the actual course but many balls still end up there.

[Jim1mack]

On most executive courses, if you hit from the closest tees the distances are less than 100 yds. 80-90 yds. With a decent hit the ball will roll onto the green. P&Ps are a slightly longer walk (2.3-2.4 miles) than if you walk an executive. Executives allow golf carts so then basically very little walking involved. I speak from experience.

[Dave951]

It's disappointing to see all the open tee times for pitch-n-putt Obviously it's not as popular as they expected it to be. A better choice would have been executive golf

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Dave951

It's disappointing to see all the open tee times for pitch-n-putt Obviously it's not as popular as they expected it to be. A better choice would have been executive golf

Agree, yet another one is in the plans. Go figure?

[kansasr]

Originally Posted by Dave951

It's disappointing to see all the open tee times for pitch-n-putt Obviously it's not as popular as they expected it to be. A better choice would have been executive golf

Have you actually checked the availability on the pitch and putts? I think not, if you look at tomorrow, for example, the only open slots for a 4some are early in the morning and late in the afternoon. Yes, you'll see more 2somes available than on the executives, but I'd hardly call it "all the open tee times".

Quit bashing the pitch and putt courses....they serve a very useful purpose and are actually very popular down here. Otherwise we'll end up clogging up the executives with our 40 yard iron shots.