[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

If one can hit a moving tennis ball or pickleball that requires you to run to the spot, set your feet and hit the ball without a practice swing, why should hitting a stationary golf ball that you can take your time and practice motion beforehand be so difficult? One of the great mysteries of sports.

Concentration, conditions, and repeatability. All same wether it’s’ bowling, darts, golf, tennis, pickleball, basketball, air hockey, billiards (pool) target shooting, ect…..

[westernrider75]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Lessons that take a beginner and makes them a bogey golfer.

Lessons that take experienced golfers and reduce their handicaps 25-50%?

New clubs never do the trick. Just new toys. As Lee Trevino said, "It takes a new club a month to get to know you.
Then it acts just like the old one.

PRICELESS, if they help!

[Bay Kid]

The pro looked at my swing. He told me to stop for 2 weeks, then quit.

[dadcat]

I know of someone, he lives here in the Villages

[SHIBUMI]

of how to achieve a good impact position. Impact is a result of some swing mechanics not a cause.

These are the swing mechanics the impact zone professes:

1. Full Wrist Load - wrists don't load fully on all type shots

2. Flat Left Wrist - back of your left hand is the face of the club,flat left wrist =square face
on all shots even putting-universal swing theory, but how do I get there?
good grip critical so there is no hand rotation

3. ball position so club bottoms out after ball struck 4 inches -not true on woods
and everyone is a little different here--depends on sway factor and type swing

4. Lag on downswing until acceleration point- dont agree, depending on your swing side, right or left body sided, the acceleration point is different, acceleration like in your car is gradual, it starts slow then powers up, golf swing same to reach highest acceleration at impact

5. Straight plane thru the ball- the bottom of a circle has a straight plane on it, in golf that would be impact the size of a dollar bill. If you cant draw a circle properly won't get there.

All points of golf theory from the golfing machine book. Nothing new. BUT, they miss the most important piece of info. How do I co-ordinate any swing mechanics.

The book mentions 2 types of golfers, hitters who use thrust to hit the ball and swingers who use centrifugal force. The things mentioned above occur differently in both, especially the acceleration point.

Swings are either left side lead or right side lead, once you establish yours the pieces fall into place easier and are repeatable. You can never get away from swing mechanics(call it swing theory)

Yes, impact is the most important point on a swing, getting you there is what makes a great teacher. The impact zone are nice mechanics with 1 basic flaw. The golfers
co-ordination of mechanics must be met. And consideration of HOW to co-ordinate
makes for a great golf lesson......it becomes repeatable. Priceless!






porofess

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Impact is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just window dressing, to get to impact and hit that "dime size" sweet spot you're so enamored with.

[villagernewbie]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Impact is the only thing that matters. Everything else is just window dressing, to get to impact and hit that "dime size" sweet spot you're so enamored with.

Agreed, impact IS the only thing that really matters. Most of the "experts" credit Scottie's ability to get to and then maintain the impact position, is what has allowed him to dominate of late.

It certainly isn't his footwork that gives him such an advantage. lol

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

of how to achieve a good impact position. Impact is a result of some swing mechanics not a cause.

These are the swing mechanics the impact zone professes:

1. Full Wrist Load - wrists don't load fully on all type shots

2. Flat Left Wrist - back of your left hand is the face of the club,flat left wrist =square face
on all shots even putting-universal swing theory, but how do I get there?
good grip critical so there is no hand rotation

3. ball position so club bottoms out after ball struck 4 inches -not true on woods
and everyone is a little different here--depends on sway factor and type swing

4. Lag on downswing until acceleration point- dont agree, depending on your swing side, right or left body sided, the acceleration point is different, acceleration like in your car is gradual, it starts slow then powers up, golf swing same to reach highest acceleration at impact

5. Straight plane thru the ball- the bottom of a circle has a straight plane on it, in golf that would be impact the size of a dollar bill. If you cant draw a circle properly won't get there.

All points of golf theory from the golfing machine book. Nothing new. BUT, they miss the most important piece of info. How do I co-ordinate any swing mechanics.

The book mentions 2 types of golfers, hitters who use thrust to hit the ball and swingers who use centrifugal force. The things mentioned above occur differently in both, especially the acceleration point.

Swings are either left side lead or right side lead, once you establish yours the pieces fall into place easier and are repeatable. You can never get away from swing mechanics(call it swing theory)

Yes, impact is the most important point on a swing, getting you there is what makes a great teacher. The impact zone are nice mechanics with 1 basic flaw. The golfers
co-ordination of mechanics must be met. And consideration of HOW to co-ordinate
makes for a great golf lesson......it becomes repeatable. Priceless!
porofess

Homer Kelly wrote the Golf Machine in 1969.

Many of his theories and conclusions have been disproven by modern, high-speed cameras and ball flight monitors.

Even Bobby Clampett, his most famous adherent, has admitted that TGM theories ruined his career ... and Clampett wrote his own book, ironically it's called "The Impact Zone".

Teaching Swing Theory went out in the 70's & 80's. Move forward, into the 21st Century.

Turn on the Ryder Cup and watch 3 people ... Jon Rahm, Bryson DeChambeau and Cam Young. You'll soon learn, there is no single way to swing a golf club and your score is unrelated to how you swing.

Go Fleetwood Mac!

[gighilton]

Find a TPI Certified Professional, or better a Wright Balanced Pro who will evaluate your physical ability, and find if you are upper, middle or lower core person. They can match up your grip stance and posture that is right for you. Then you are free to use your natural athletic ability, without the mental clutter. Most people don't get better because they are not being told the right things... most PGA Pros are teaching to a model... and that rarely works. Hogan and Trevino were low core players, Nicklaus and Watson were upper core players, and Tiger and Adam Scott are mid core players.. all in the Hall of fame, all with different fundamentals, that matched up with their body type... Most of you don't need a lot of lessons to get better, but you do need the right lesson..so expect to bet better quickly, or you need to find a different pro...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by gighilton

Find a TPI Certified Professional, or better a Wright Balanced Pro who will evaluate your physical ability, and find if you are upper, middle or lower core person.

Or just read The L.A.W.S. of the golf swing, by Dr. Jim Suttie, Mike Adams and T.J. Tomasi.

Different approach, to the same basic premises. There are different body types and those bodies work differently. You need to find a swing that works with your body, not try to adapt your body's biomechanics, to a specific swing.

[Pugchief]

55 posts on this topic and I still suck at golf.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

55 posts on this topic and I still suck at golf.

People make it way more complicated than it really is.

For the average golfer:

Chose a place to aim that will avoid trouble.

Swing at a speed and tempo that allows you to make good contact.

Find the ball, hit it again.

Get the ball anywhere on the green, in the most expeditious manner.

When it gets on the green, don't worry about your "aim", worry about your "speed".

Putt, until someone says "that's good".

Most golfers are surprised how easy it is to take 10 shots off your average, with a little course management.

[SHIBUMI]

to see what was important to repeat in the impact zone.........but nothing he says or anyone says is telling you how to swing a golf club. Jon Rahm is a right side hitter, Dechambeau is a left side hitter, cam young is a left side hitter, the only reason they look different is because of body types.

Focusing on the impact zone doesn't tell you how to get there.

So I will impart that knowledge on you for free. All I ask is that you go down the range and try it. Your swing and impact will get better within 30 minutes.
and you will get feel to repeat that swing.

The golf swing is a one sided swing, one side leads the other side follows. If you don't believe that it's why you are hitting the ball over the top. First determine if you are a left hand lead with a right hand follow or a right hand lead with a left hand follow.

A left hand lead takes the club back with his left side.
Hand arm shoulder. Club goes back inside the line, while left wrist cocks, at the top of your swing, around 11 o clock, pull down with your left hand, starting the acceleration, butt of club towards the ground then just keep pulling thru to a finish. Impact will square and your weight shift will occur. The only thing to think (feel) is the left side drawing the circle.

Right side swings are shorter and this may be you if you lack flexibility. Rahm has a club foot so tougher to swing longer. No wrong answer here. Swing the club back with your right hand + arm, hinge the right wrist, take club back to 10 o'clock, let the club drop down and when it reaches your right hip, start the acceleration to fire it thru the ball to a finish at least equal to backswing length. Think about nothing but drawing that circle with your right hand +arm.

The impact zone is a result and not a cause........the golf circle is a cause to get that result............forget you tube, forget magazines, forget swing simulator, if you cant draw a circle you got nothing. List not what the ball says, you don't need numbers to tell you it sliced or hooked etc, your not stupid.

The end result will be squarer contact and a smaller margin or error. And more importantly you will be able to repeat it because you feel it.

So, go out and give it a try, you will be amazed. If you don't your doing it wrong.
Seek what you're doing wrong. The goal is to make you more repetitive and straighter. Happy Hunting, lower scores will follow, promise!

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Homer Kelly wrote the Golf Machine in 1969.

Many of his theories and conclusions have been disproven by modern, high-speed cameras and ball flight monitors.

Even Bobby Clampett, his most famous adherent, has admitted that TGM theories ruined his career ... and Clampett wrote his own book, ironically it's called "The Impact Zone".

Teaching Swing Theory went out in the 70's & 80's. Move forward, into the 21st Century.

Turn on the Ryder Cup and watch 3 people ... Jon Rahm, Bryson DeChambeau and Cam Young. You'll soon learn, there is no single way to swing a golf club and your score is unrelated to how you swing.

Go Fleetwood Mac!

[SHIBUMI]

You are assuming they have a repeatable golf swing, they dont at this point, but help is coming. Once they get a repeatable swing could be good advice. But they will want more

Originally Posted by BrianL99

People make it way more complicated than it really is.

For the average golfer:

Chose a place to aim that will avoid trouble.

Swing at a speed and tempo that allows you to make good contact.

Find the ball, hit it again.

Get the ball anywhere on the green, in the most expeditious manner.

When it gets on the green, don't worry about your "aim", worry about your "speed".

Putt, until someone says "that's good".

Most golfers are surprised how easy it is to take 10 shots off your average, with a little course management.

[SHIBUMI]

You have seen me on the range, were you a recipient of the secret??

Originally Posted by dadcat

I know of someone, he lives here in the Villages

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

So I will impart that knowledge on you for free. All I ask is that you go down the range and try it. Your swing and impact will get better within 30 minutes.
and you will get feel to repeat that swing.

Until someone posts their verified/reported scores, they lack any credibility in the minds of most people.