[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Indeed! Actions have consequences. And when those consequences hit the bottom line…well…

Disney is far from alone in this regard. The website rigorous themes dot com, in an article by Ben Levin, points out the dangers faced by companies who dabble in social change. But Disney has company in this regard: also affected by the “social change” phenomenon include Gillette, Nike, Pepsi and Bud Lite, as well as several others. There was a striking example of this just recently at the annual Sturgis motorcycle rally, which had pretty extensive coverage on YouTube. Bikers as a group have been known to indulge themselves in a beer or two upon occasion. I saw more than one clip showing the crowds gathering around this-or-that watering hole in Sturgis. In sharp contrast was the Budweiser tent, which stood nearly empty.

In sharp contrast to this are the success of those businesses that profess traditional values. Perhaps the best-known of these include Hobby Lobby, Marriot and Chick-Fil-A, though there are many others. Most striking among these successes, at least in my opinion, is that both Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A achieve their success by being open to the public only six days per week.

None of this is a “one cause fits all” phenomenon and of course there are other issues that play into it as well. But the TRENDS are undeniable. Trying to change the traditional social status quo, when the attempts are being made by business and especially when the bottom line is dependent on catering to the public, has consequences. And all too often those consequences are not what those companies thought they would be. People express their displeasure with their pocketbooks as well as in other ways.

Very well said

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Do they buy mouse "ears" when they visit?

princess crowns and magical wands

[HandyGrandpap]

Disney did (perhaps will again some day ) have a unique appeal. Many of my younger co-workers will younger kids, I sensed Disney was their mirage of future happiness as the parents and kids were in anticipation of the visit, which in retropect was more rewarding than the visit and the post credit card bills.

[GoRedSox!]

I have my eye on Disney stock, and quite honestly, I am not worried at all about their battle with the state or people saying they are woke. Those things are the distracting shiny objects. Disney is one of the most iconic brands in the world. Eiger is an exceptional CEO. The challenges that are causing a drag on the stock price, IMO, are related to Disney Plus streaming channel, what to do with ESPN, Hulu, ABC, their movies, they have a lot of stakes in media, some of which are bleeding paying members and lower ratings for broadcast TV. ESPN is still an incredibly valuable asset as live sports is still driving decent ratings. Eiger and Disney have some decisions to make. The streaming space is eventually going to rationalize and Disney Plus will be one of the survivors, it’s impossible for any other streamer to replicate their content library. I believe, this is a stock which is still making money and when they sort things out, they are going to reward investors who get in at nine year lows. Also, if the price goes much lower, I think the whispers of a company like Apple buying them will get louder. This is my opinion. Of course any stock prediction can be wrong.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Normal

Disney lost her crown and it is doubtful she will ever get it back. Many kids don’t even know who Mickey Mouse is. The latest generation barely recognizes her. Kids have more variety now; the entertainment exclusive is gone for good.

On top of all this entertainment is taking the corner off its precipice, traveling downhill because of the internet age, pirating and streaming.

Adios, Mickey!

Ya know Mickey is the male and Minnie is female right. And what little girl does know the entire Let it go Song, or what a Dingle Hopper is.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Ya know Mickey is the male and Minnie is female right?

These days, how can one be sure?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

They are reaping what they sow. Disney has disgusted 45% of their customer base. Ourselves included.

No way would we be a consumer of them now. We are following our hearts by not funding their corporate beliefs and stands. As well as other companies which we will not continue to be consumers.

We can stand for our beliefs by not opening our wallet.

I'll just go out on a limb and state: you ARE funding the corporate beliefs. Here are other corporations that share similar stances in support of LGBTQ++:

23andMe

2U, Inc.

Accenture

Acxiom LLC

The Adecco Group

Adobe Inc.

Advance Auto Parts

AEO Inc.

Affirm

Airbnb

AllianceBernstein

Ally

Altria Group Inc.

Amalgamated Bank

Amazon

American Airlines

American Express

American Honda Motor Company

Amgen, Inc.

Anaplan

Apple

Applied Materials, Inc.

Arcadis U.S. Inc.

Asana, Inc.

AT&T

Atlassian

Autodesk

Avanade, Inc.

Baker Tilly US

BASF Corporation

Bayer US LLC

BCW (Burson Cohn & Wolfe)

Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

Berkshire Bank

Biogen

Block, Inc. (Formerly Square, Inc.)

Bloomberg LP

Blueprint Medicines

Boehringer Ingelheim USA

Boston Consulting Group

Boston Scientific

Bounteous

Box, Inc.

Bright Health Group

Bright Horizons Family Solutions

Brown-Forman Corporation

Capital One

Cardinal Health

Cargill

Cargo Transporters, Inc.

Celanese

Center for Community Self-Help

Citigroup Inc.

Chobani

CNA Insurance

The College Board

Comcast NBCUniversal

Compass

CONVERSE, Inc.

CSAA Insurance Group

Curology

CVS Health

Dechert LLP

Deckers Brands (UGG, HOKA, Teva, Sanuk and Koolaburra by UGG)

Dell Technologies

Deutsche Bank USA Corp.

Dow Inc.

Dropbox Inc.

DWS Investments

Early Warning Services, LLC

Eastern Bank

Elanco Animal Health

Electronic Arts

EMD Serono, MilliporeSigma and EMD Electronics

Equinix

Equitable

Etsy, Inc.

FactSet Research Systems Inc.

Fastly

Flexport, Inc.

GAP, Inc.

Gearbox

General Mills

General Motors

Gilead Sciences, Inc.

GitHub

GoDaddy

Google

GP Strategies Corporation

Gusto

H&M

H&R Block

The Hartford

Hewlett Packard Enterprise

HP Inc.

Hilton

HSBC Bank USA

Hyatt

Hyve Solutions

IBM

ICM Partners

IHG Hotels & Resorts

HIS Markit

IKEA

Included Health

Instacart

Intel

International Flavors & Fragrances Inc.

Interpublic Group

Intuit

Invitae Corporation

Jacobs

Johnson & Johnson

Kellogg Company

The Knot Worldwide

The Kraft Heinz Company

LegalZoom

Levi Strauss & Co.

Lexmark International, Inc.

LinkedIn

Lululemon

Lush Fresh Handmade Cosmetics

Lyft, Inc.

Macy’s, Inc

Mailchimp

Marriott International, Inc.

Mars, North America

Marsh McLennan

MassMutual

Mattel, Inc.

Medtronic

Meta

MetLife, Inc.

Micron

Microsoft

Mobilize

Momentive

MolsonCoors

Mondelez International

New Belgium Brewing

NextRoll, Inc.

NI

Nielsen

Nike, Inc.

Nordstrom, Inc.

Nuance Communications

Okta

Oracle Corporation

Paramount Global

Pariveda Solutions

Patagonia

Patreon

PayPal

Peloton Interactive, Inc.

PepsiCo

Pinterest

Pfizer Inc.

PNC Financial Services Group

Prudential Financial, Inc.

PwC

Randstad US

RedFin Real Estate

Red Hat, Inc.

REI Co-op

Ripple

Royal Bank of Canada

Salesforce

SAP

Shipt, Inc.

Shutterstock

Signet Jewelers

Silicon Labs

Sony Interactive Entertainment

Splunk

Starbucks

State Street Corporation

SunLife

Sustainable Food Policy Alliance, including member companies Danone North America; Mars, Incorporated; Nestlé USA; and Unilever United States

Symetra Life Insurance Company

Synchrony Financial

Target

TD SYNNEX

TechNet

Teva Pharmaceuticals

Thermo Fisher Scientific

Tinuiti, Inc

T-Mobile USA Inc.

Trane Technologies

Trillium Asset Management

TriNet Group, Inc.

Tripadvisor

Twitter Inc.

Uber

UKG

Unilever United States

Union Pacific

United Airlines

Unity

Verizon

Via Transportation

VMLY&R

VMware

The Walt Disney Company

Warby Parker

WarnerMedia

Warner Music Group

Wayside Youth & Family Support Network

WE Communications

Weber Shandwick

Wells Fargo

Workday, Inc.

Xperi Holding Corporation

Xylem

Yahoo

Yelp Inc.

Yext

Zendesk

Ziff Davis

Zillow Group

Zoom Video Communications

Zynga Games

If you support ANY of these - or their subsidiaries, or USE any of their products, then yeah - you're putting your money somewhere other than your mouth.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by asianthree

We are Pass holder at Disney and Universal, both has been a ghost towns since end of pandemic. Disney lines are much longer than Universal, plus they aren’t selling out of specialty events like Disney. It’s nice to go to universal and basically walk on to rides.

Both prices are pretty close, but if you have young children, you aren’t going to take them to Universal to get the crap scared out of them. It scares me at times, so can’t imagine spending money for a 2-10yo, unlike Disney that is geared for younger crowds and sold out nights the opening ticket sales.

So which is it? Are they ghost towns, or are lines at Disney long and specialty events selling out there? If they're ghost towns, then there'd be no lines, and the specialty events wouldn't be selling out. If there are long lines and sold-out specialty events, then they're not ghost towns.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

That is not a good reason to support a company that does things that are against your principal.

One can even go to Universal and spend your money there.

Yeah because they don't double down on huge donations to LGBTQ+ causes.
Oh, wait...

Universal Orlando Pledges Support to LGBTQ+ Community With Huge Donation - Inside the Magic


Guess the grandkids will just have to play on the swings in their own back yard from now on, because grandpa's gotta stick to his principals. Should be an interesting conversation when the kids ask why.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yeah because they don't double down on huge donations to LGBTQ+ causes.
Oh, wait...

Universal Orlando Pledges Support to LGBTQ+ Community With Huge Donation - Inside the Magic


Guess the grandkids will just have to play on the swings in their own back yard from now on, because grandpa's gotta stick to his principals. Should be an interesting conversation when the kids ask why.

This grandpa sticks to his principles.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'll just go out on a limb and state: you ARE funding the corporate beliefs. Here are other corporations that share similar stances in support of LGBTQ++:

23andMe

2U, Inc.

Accenture

Acxiom LLC

The Adecco Group

Adobe Inc.

Advance Auto Parts

AEO Inc.

Affirm

Airbnb

AllianceBernstein

Ally

Altria Group Inc.

Amalgamated Bank

Amazon

American Airlines

American Express

American Honda Motor Company

Amgen, Inc.

Anaplan

Apple

Applied Materials, Inc.

Arcadis U.S. Inc.

Asana, Inc.

AT&T

Atlassian

Autodesk

Avanade, Inc.

Baker Tilly US

BASF Corporation

Bayer US LLC

BCW (Burson Cohn & Wolfe)

Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

Berkshire Bank

Biogen

Block, Inc. (Formerly Square, Inc.)

Bloomberg LP

Blueprint Medicines

Boehringer Ingelheim USA

Boston Consulting Group

Boston Scientific

Bounteous

Box, Inc.

Bright Health Group

Bright Horizons Family Solutions

Brown-Forman Corporation

Capital One

Cardinal Health

Cargill

Cargo Transporters, Inc.

Celanese

Center for Community Self-Help

Citigroup Inc.

Chobani

CNA Insurance

The College Board

Comcast NBCUniversal

Compass

CONVERSE, Inc.

CSAA Insurance Group

Curology

CVS Health

Dechert LLP

Deckers Brands (UGG, HOKA, Teva, Sanuk and Koolaburra by UGG)

Dell Technologies

Deutsche Bank USA Corp.

Dow Inc.

Dropbox Inc.

DWS Investments

Early Warning Services, LLC

Eastern Bank

Elanco Animal Health

Electronic Arts

EMD Serono, MilliporeSigma and EMD Electronics

Equinix

Equitable

Etsy, Inc.

FactSet Research Systems Inc.

Fastly

Flexport, Inc.

GAP, Inc.

Gearbox

General Mills

General Motors

Gilead Sciences, Inc.

GitHub

GoDaddy

Google

GP Strategies Corporation

Gusto

H&M

H&R Block

The Hartford

Hewlett Packard Enterprise

HP Inc.

Hilton

HSBC Bank USA

Hyatt

Hyve Solutions

IBM

ICM Partners

IHG Hotels & Resorts

HIS Markit

IKEA

Included Health

Instacart

Intel

International Flavors & Fragrances Inc.

Interpublic Group

Intuit

Invitae Corporation

Jacobs

Johnson & Johnson

Kellogg Company

The Knot Worldwide

The Kraft Heinz Company

LegalZoom

Levi Strauss & Co.

Lexmark International, Inc.

LinkedIn

Lululemon

Lush Fresh Handmade Cosmetics

Lyft, Inc.

Macy’s, Inc

Mailchimp

Marriott International, Inc.

Mars, North America

Marsh McLennan

MassMutual

Mattel, Inc.

Medtronic

Meta

MetLife, Inc.

Micron

Microsoft

Mobilize

Momentive

MolsonCoors

Mondelez International

New Belgium Brewing

NextRoll, Inc.

NI

Nielsen

Nike, Inc.

Nordstrom, Inc.

Nuance Communications

Okta

Oracle Corporation

Paramount Global

Pariveda Solutions

Patagonia

Patreon

PayPal

Peloton Interactive, Inc.

PepsiCo

Pinterest

Pfizer Inc.

PNC Financial Services Group

Prudential Financial, Inc.

PwC

Randstad US

RedFin Real Estate

Red Hat, Inc.

REI Co-op

Ripple

Royal Bank of Canada

Salesforce

SAP

Shipt, Inc.

Shutterstock

Signet Jewelers

Silicon Labs

Sony Interactive Entertainment

Splunk

Starbucks

State Street Corporation

SunLife

Sustainable Food Policy Alliance, including member companies Danone North America; Mars, Incorporated; Nestlé USA; and Unilever United States

Symetra Life Insurance Company

Synchrony Financial

Target

TD SYNNEX

TechNet

Teva Pharmaceuticals

Thermo Fisher Scientific

Tinuiti, Inc

T-Mobile USA Inc.

Trane Technologies

Trillium Asset Management

TriNet Group, Inc.

Tripadvisor

Twitter Inc.

Uber

UKG

Unilever United States

Union Pacific

United Airlines

Unity

Verizon

Via Transportation

VMLY&R

VMware

The Walt Disney Company

Warby Parker

WarnerMedia

Warner Music Group

Wayside Youth & Family Support Network

WE Communications

Weber Shandwick

Wells Fargo

Workday, Inc.

Xperi Holding Corporation

Xylem

Yahoo

Yelp Inc.

Yext

Zendesk

Ziff Davis

Zillow Group

Zoom Video Communications

Zynga Games

If you support ANY of these - or their subsidiaries, or USE any of their products, then yeah - you're putting your money somewhere other than your mouth.

They have to it’s law.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

They have to it’s law.

No, that's a whole other thing. The law says you can't discriminate based on sex. It doesn't require that they actively SUPPORT lgbtq++ causes or donate to related charities or support outlets. The entire list is a list of companies that actively support, and have made public statements and signed off on documentation publicizing their active support. There's no law that requires companies include gay couples in their advertising. Or sell products promoting diversity via rainbows and catch-phrases. Every company on that list PROMOTES their support lgbtq++ national policy. They've made this statement here:
200+ Major U.S. Companies Oppose Anti-LGBTQ+ State Legislation - Human Rights Campaign

The list of companies are the signatories on that statement.

[Robbb]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Very well said

I was at Sturgis, the Budweiser display was vacant the entire week. They had a huge booth with probably the best location in the town.

[Robbb]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No, that's a whole other thing. The law says you can't discriminate based on sex. It doesn't require that they actively SUPPORT lgbtq++ causes or donate to related charities or support outlets. The entire list is a list of companies that actively support, and have made public statements and signed off on documentation publicizing their active support. There's no law that requires companies include gay couples in their advertising. Or sell products promoting diversity via rainbows and catch-phrases. Every company on that list PROMOTES their support lgbtq++ national policy. They've made this statement here:
200+ Major U.S. Companies Oppose Anti-LGBTQ+ State Legislation - Human Rights Campaign

The list of companies are the signatories on that statement.

Yea, I think you are going to lose the audience if you are promoting discrimination of anyone. I could be wrong, but I believe most people, like me, couldn't care less what a person's lifestyle is, we just don't want an alternative lifestyle pushed on us.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Robbb

I was at Sturgis, the Budweiser display was vacant the entire week. They had a huge booth with probably the best location in the town.

I pity the people who had to "man" the booth.

Do they hand out free/discounted beer?