[skarra]

Seriously though (attached graphic), why do we want low paying and now largely automated manufacturing jobs when we do services so well and have a surplus in that respect with nearly every nation? China owns cheap manufacturing now - we need to get over it.

The services industry includes Banking/finance, High Tech, Accounting, Tourism, etc. Isn't that what young people want?

[salpal]

agree....can you imagine Americans sewing blue jeans in a factory for very small wages? We want to encourage young people to STEM careers. People forget...the robots are coming. Do we want the USA to go back to the 1800's with factories? No, we want to be supreme in technology and all STEM areas.

[opinionist]

We need manufacturing for a trade balance. That does not mean we need to manufacture socks. We only need to make stuff that other countries would want to buy. Services can be part of the balance, but we need manufacturing for national security interests.

[Whatnext]

The funny thing about 'service industries,' is their income was not included in the rather 'one size fits all' tariff formula, when putting US exports against imports from other countries.
Probably just a bonus for having to collect all the trillions flowing into the government pocket.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by skarra

Seriously though (attached graphic), why do we want low paying and now largely automated manufacturing jobs when we do services so well and have a surplus in that respect with nearly every nation? China owns cheap manufacturing now - we need to get over it.

The services industry includes Banking/finance, High Tech, Accounting, Tourism, etc. Isn't that what young people want?

Fail realize those jobs won’t be at pay scale in China, India, or any other 3rd world slave labor. When Average UAW here makes 70 plus dollars hour compared to at best 5.25 hour in Mexico and elsewhere.

Not everybody can be brain surgeons. There at least 100 million Americans that have swept under carpet got fat and too lazy to work when government gives them just enough to survive. A low paying job better than NO job. The problem is people who make decisions really never had to work or was ever hungry, and I don’t mean missing meal or two.

Another problem college education don’t really get you much anymore hundred thousands of college graduates working in the so called services industry waiting on tables at least few that will work? Course there will never be flat tax the would put accounting lawyer out of work cause one’s making the tax laws are NOT going to shoot themselves in foot and have to pay their fair share.

Then there one that get degree in running their mouth, political science.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Whatnext

The funny about 'service industries,' is their income was not included in the rather 'one size fits all' tariff formula, when putting US exports against imports from other countries.
Probably just a bonus for having to collect all the trillions flowing into the government pocket.

Due to outrageous fraud and wasteful spending the federal government NEEDS trillions or we WILL be 3rd world. IMO it’s too late, the only way we’re going to get out of debt is send payment with nuke attach. IMO world war coming

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Due to outrageous fraud and wasteful spending the federal government NEEDS trillions or we WILL be 3rd world. IMO it’s too late, the only way we’re going to get out of debt is send payment with nuke attach. IMO world war coming

Your upbeat message leaves me scratching my head... so often I hear now how this country CAN'T do anything anymore. Bullroar, all we need is some backbone and ambition.

No one takes into account the handouts that it takes to float the boat of all the jobless people here not to mention the crime involved with much of that joblessness. Take the whole picture into one's view and remember, no one is trying to eliminate everything, just balance it out. And as important as STEM is, it is not the end all answer to all employment problems. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist.

[sunnyFLORIDA5828]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Your upbeat message leaves me scratching my head... so often I hear now how this country CAN'T do anything anymore. Bullroar, all we need is some backbone and ambition.

No one takes into account the handouts that it takes to float the boat of all the jobless people here not to mention the crime involved with much of that joblessness. Take the whole picture into one's view and remember, no one is trying to eliminate everything, just balance it out. And as important as STEM is, it is not the end all answer to all employment problems. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist.

Totally agree with this. Our country drastically needs employees who work with their hands and brains. With all the new infrastructure going up the next few years in the USA. We will need construction, welders, plumbers, electricians etc etc. all trades. Mucho dinero pay jobs. And high tech manufacturing. Not just socks.., I understand that the new schools here are focusing on trades too. Wonderful.

[FloridaGuy66]

The top 10 "quality of living" countries mostly have manufacturing as a low percentage of their workforce. We need to look for new solutions, not try old ones that have failed for good reason.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Aces4

as important as STEM is, it is not the end all answer to all employment problems. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist.

True. And not everyone has the brains to be one. The point is we need more students studying useful curriculums that will lead to innovation and jobs, and less studying obscure social degrees that didn't exist 50 years ago because they aren't real.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

True. And not everyone has the brains to be one. The point is we need more students studying useful curriculums that will lead to innovation and jobs, and less studying obscure social degrees that didn't exist 50 years ago because they aren't real.

Obscure degrees that didn't exist 50 years ago? Could it be that science and technology and social awareness subjects and needs didn't exist until recently? Like, for instance, what the heck is an "aesthetician" and when did it become a thing. (Brace yourselves) Never had those things back in my day?

[Normal]

Originally Posted by skarra

Seriously though (attached graphic), why do we want low paying and now largely automated manufacturing jobs when we do services so well and have a surplus in that respect with nearly every nation? China owns cheap manufacturing now - we need to get over it.

The services industry includes Banking/finance, High Tech, Accounting, Tourism, etc. Isn't that what young people want?

Many jobs will be high paying. Ask the automakers in Michigan, the steelworkers in Ohio and Pennsylvania or various other high middle class workers.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Your upbeat message leaves me scratching my head... so often I hear now how this country CAN'T do anything anymore. Bullroar, all we need is some backbone and ambition.

No one takes into account the handouts that it takes to float the boat of all the jobless people here not to mention the crime involved with much of that joblessness. Take the whole picture into one's view and remember, no one is trying to eliminate everything, just balance it out. And as important as STEM is, it is not the end all answer to all employment problems. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist.

Where are going find this backbone and ambitions? Most expect it to be handed to them…

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Obscure degrees that didn't exist 50 years ago? Could it be that science and technology and social awareness subjects and needs didn't exist until recently?

Umm, no. Tell me what productive job requires "social awareness subjects and needs". People going $200,000 into hock for degrees that don't get them jobs is why student debt is out of control. Colleges shouldn't even be offering that garbage IMO.

I'm not talking about "science and technology" as I specifically referenced "social" degrees. But hey, if you want to fund your kid's degree in international gender studies or the like, I guess YMMV.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I find it strange that in this thread, no one has even mentioned a need for more people in the medical field, and in health care in general. You want more Americans to be home health aids for seniors who aren't ready for nursing homes yet? Maybe - give more Americans more incentive to qualify as home health aids. Right now, most of them in Florida are immigrants, because they can't FIND Americans who want to do the work.

We have a nursing shortage in Florida. We also have a physician shortage. And an orthopedic surgery shortage. The people who can afford the education necessary to get degrees, don't seem to be interested in those degrees. So we have to seek these professionals from other places. A doctor from Pakistan will be just as qualified to diagnose your hernia as a doctor from Toledo Ohio. If Toledo doesn't want to come to the party, then you need to suck it up, and learn to love the guy from Pakistan. The first step is to stop this "mass deportation" stuff and denaturalizing and cancelling green cards stuff. If they're here LEGALLY and haven't broken any laws while here, then leave them the heck alone and let them continue contributing to society and paying their taxes (yes, immigrants pay taxes).

Don't forget also, medical professionals from other countries pay MUCH less for their medical education than we do here in the States. So they can afford to work for less, when they get here. They have lower payments to pay off any loans, and some of them earn their degrees for free, courtesy of their country of origin.

In Pakistan (using the same country as above for the example) a local student can easily pay less than $5,000 per year in tuition. They have to fund their own housing, living expenses, elective fees but if they live nearby at home, the additional cost is negligible.