[CoachKandSportsguy]

From a technical data web site, very impressive.

We finished the thrust of our new documentation in July last year, shipping 910 pages of new documentation and covering 5,600 different topics. The vast amount of documentation was an intimidating resource for new users and went unread due to its size. We needed to make this easier to digest.

AI LLMs (Large Language Models) provide an excellent vehicle to explore this content and get relevant information promptly. We've given a human face to the agent, named Mia. Mia has been live in the public forums and our Discord channel for the last month, answering support questions. We have seen roughly 75% of the questions answered successfully within 2-3 minutes, and we'll continue monitoring to improve its omissions.

From the CEO of a public company vendor, $SOUN, which provides AI voice interactions to fast food restaurants implemented voice interactions in drive throughs:

Drive through orders are being taken in under 60 seconds, much faster than human order takers. . . .currently in 10,000 locations with 100,000 in the pipeline.

These will replace human labor, and the ratio of programmers to displaced humans is vastly sucked higher in displaced humans than programmers.

Don't believe the AI hype trying to downplay human replacements

[billethkid]

Sounds very much like the concerns expressed way back when "...computers were going to replace humans" and then later came robotics in manufacturing were going to replace humans.

Somehow we have digested and acclimated to the opportunities opened/presented by the new technology........VS the sky is falling news/headlines back then and again now......but worse.

Way too much commentary by ANYBODY with a keyboard presenting every whim of the day as if with authority/validity. And unfortunately a population that now believes almost anything.....from ANYBODY.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

From a technical data web site, very impressive.




From the CEO of a public company vendor, $SOUN, which provides AI voice interactions to fast food restaurants implemented voice interactions in drive throughs:


These will replace human labor, and the ratio of programmers to displaced humans is vastly sucked higher in displaced humans than programmers.

Don't believe the AI hype trying to downplay human replacements

Can always use more carpenters and plumbers.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Can always use more carpenters and plumbers.

Totally agree with this from a customer point of view,
from the tradespeople in these two areas, they might disagree. .

Sounds very much like the concerns expressed way back when "...computers were going to replace humans" and then later came robotics in manufacturing were going to replace humans. Somehow we have digested and acclimated to the opportunities opened/presented by the new technology........VS the sky is falling news/headlines back then and again now......but worse. Way too much commentary by ANYBODY with a keyboard presenting every whim of the day as if with authority/validity. And unfortunately a population that now believes almost anything.....from ANYBODY.

of course not ALL labor has been replaced, but labor has been replaced by computers, robots and is continuing.
not sure what your point is other than rambling, but FYI, i have personally programmed / coded people out of jobs in finance.

and I am a very, very basic programmer . . .

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Totally agree with this from a customer point of view,
from the tradespeople in these two areas, they might disagree. .




of course not ALL labor has been replaced, but labor has been replaced by computers, robots and is continuing.
not sure what your point is other than rambling, but FYI, i have personally programmed / coded people out of jobs in finance.

and I am a very, very basic programmer . . .

My point? We have assimilated and survived/surviving!

[Stu from NYC]

The people who will be mostly affected by this are people in minimum wage jobs who are easily replaced. People need to learn that minimum wage jobs are only entry level positions and people should look to advance from them.

[Keefelane66]

It doesn’t bother me that AI should be used a Fast Food restaurants rarely frequent them. Since many restaurants offer pay at table. I should be able to order from table so the meal order gets processed correctly. Just deliver it to the table requires minimum tipping.

[Bill14564]

Using technology where technology makes sense.

Why ask someone to flip through 910 pages to find the answer to a question when a machine can scan through it almost immediately? Attach a front end that can interpret questions and you have a very smart, very fast Shell answer man.

For the drive-thru window it's even easier. The machine doesn't need to know much at all, it just needs to understand human accents and a few words relating to the menu. Much faster and more accurate than a human listening to a garbled voice then hitting buttons on a screen.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

not everyone will assimilate,
not everyone will survive,
not everyone can move up

result will be a very dystopian society
where there is a low bar is a master's degree to obtain work which is high enough to buy a house
There will be no hard work options to gain experience in lieu of a master's degree.

A friend of mine, has a friend from india who moved here 30 years ago for the technical opportunity
starting 15 years ago, he kept losing his jobs after they moved the jobs from here to India.
Finally he moved back to india with family after 25 years of productive programming career.

For the entry level work, there is no place where the labor moved to, it will disappear and there are a hell of a lot more entry level type employees than there will ever be masters degree entry level on site AI machine management jobs.

the dystopian point is there is a tipping point, beyond which the french revolution happens.
Ever read Amazon.com ?
as the changes pile up by the plutocracy . . .

good luck to us as this working class provides the bulk of the social security wages contributions. .

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

not everyone will assimilate,
not everyone will survive,
not everyone can move up

result will be a very dystopian society
where there is a low bar is a master's degree to obtain work which is high enough to buy a house
There will be no hard work options to gain experience in lieu of a master's degree.

A friend of mine, has a friend from india who moved here 30 years ago for the technical opportunity
starting 15 years ago, he kept losing his jobs after they moved the jobs from here to India.
Finally he moved back to india with family after 25 years of productive programming career.

For the entry level work, there is no place where the labor moved to, it will disappear and there are a hell of a lot more entry level type employees than there will ever be masters degree entry level on site AI machine management jobs.

the dystopian point is there is a tipping point, beyond which the french revolution happens.
Ever read Amazon.com ?
as the changes pile up by the plutocracy . . .

good luck to us as this working class provides the bulk of the social security wages contributions. .

UBI, as the younger generations state, is anticipated by many now…. Universal Basic Income dished out by the government.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

not everyone will assimilate,
not everyone will survive,
not everyone can move up

result will be a very dystopian society
where there is a low bar is a master's degree to obtain work which is high enough to buy a house
There will be no hard work options to gain experience in lieu of a master's degree.

A friend of mine, has a friend from india who moved here 30 years ago for the technical opportunity
starting 15 years ago, he kept losing his jobs after they moved the jobs from here to India.
Finally he moved back to india with family after 25 years of productive programming career.

For the entry level work, there is no place where the labor moved to, it will disappear and there are a hell of a lot more entry level type employees than there will ever be masters degree entry level on site AI machine management jobs.

the dystopian point is there is a tipping point, beyond which the french revolution happens.
Ever read Amazon.com ?
as the changes pile up by the plutocracy . . .

good luck to us as this working class provides the bulk of the social security wages contributions. .

So what is the alternative?

Do we close down CASE and Caterpillar to put more people to work shoveling? Are we willing to pay the much higher prices to shut down automated production lines and buy hand-built automobiles? I could certainly get behind hiring more Americans to man telephones on customer service lines but I don't know that I want to pay the increased price that would come along with that.

Are we selling ourselves short by believing we must have unskilled trades? Is there a way to put more people to work in internship or apprentice programs that can lead to a career rather than having them take orders at a drive-thru window?

Is the dystopian future the one where a Master's degree is needed to hold a job or is it the one where technology is seen as a threat and banned?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Aces4

UBI, as the younger generations state, is anticipated by many now…. Universal Basic Income dished out by the government.

I agree, and the way to support it is though a tax on capital, as that is what replaced labor.
So all software amortization and software purchase and SAAS expense shall be disallowed expenses for corporate tax purposes.

And then the corporate tax is adjusted to include capital to fund this, as corporations US entities can't leave, including ones owned by intl holdings companies.

And raise the social security tax by increasing the percentage and removing the ceiling to tax all management employees, even with a graduated increasing scale for highly compensated ones, and then SS will survive a bit longer. . and I don't believe that these people will miss the increased tax, so save yourself from the theoretical arguments on tax disincentives. Working above UBI after tax gives you more spending opportunities than UBI or nothing at all.

In the post WWII and post the great depression, people still worked with the highest incremental tax rate approaching 70%. People won't stop working but there is a level at which each individual won't work harder or longer or want the additional responsibility for the incremental income. Just don't conflate the two concepts into a generalized for everyone not working excuse.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

I agree, and the way to support it is though a tax on capital, as that is what replaced labor.
So all software amortization and software purchase and SAAS expense shall be disallowed expenses for corporate tax purposes.

And then the corporate tax is adjusted to include capital to fund this, as corporations US entities can't leave, including ones owned by intl holdings companies.

And raise the social security tax by increasing the percentage and removing the ceiling to tax all management employees, even with a graduated increasing scale for highly compensated ones, and then SS will survive a bit longer. . and I don't believe that these people will miss the increased tax, so save yourself from the theoretical arguments on tax disincentives. Working above UBI after tax gives you more spending opportunities than UBI or nothing at all.

In the post WWII and post the great depression, people still worked with the highest incremental tax rate approaching 70%. People won't stop working but there is a level at which each individual won't work harder or longer or want the additional responsibility for the incremental income. Just don't conflate the two concepts into a generalized for everyone not working excuse.

A tax on capital would be a terrible idea. Capital investment supplies jobs but why make investments that are at risk if you will not make a satisfactory return.

I do believe that many new jobs that we have no idea what they will be, are going to be coming.

Save SS by advancing the age as we live longer as well as continue to advance salary limits that people must pay into SS.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Capital investment supplies jobs.

That's the tipping point which we are slowly passing where the capital investment is going into replacing labor, and does not create jobs. Its not the same world as we worked in any more.

the dystopian technology advancement now is the final stages of technology development, excluding sentient which is technologist's masterbation, where more technology investment now replaces more and more jobs. .

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

That's the tipping point which we are slowly passing where the capital investment is going into replacing labor, and does not create jobs. Its not the same world as we worked in any more.

the dystopian technology advancement now is the final stages of technology development, excluding sentient which is technologist's masterbation, where more technology investment now replaces more and more jobs. .

Capital investments have been replacing labor since civilization started. The only difference now is it may affect your type of job.